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Hurricane thread pt2 -- Deaths in N.O. greatly exaggerated (see post 261)

I was going to add this to one of the other threads but it seems like such a monumental occasion it deserves a thread of its own

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_w...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Tuesday that "I take responsibility" for failures in dealing with Hurricane Katrina and said the disaster raised broader questions about the government's ability to respond to natural disasters as well as terror attacks.
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"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of
Iraq.

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do it's job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.

The president was asked whether people should be worried about the government's ability to handle another terrorist attack given failures in responding to Katrina.
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Hell has frozen over. Bush has taken responsibility for something that went wrong. I'm speechless. I never thought I would live to see the day.
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Oh, to be in one's second term again.
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Even though I think most of the problems were because of the corrupt, inept, and incompetant local and state govt. Bush is doing the right thing and the american people are very quick to forgive.
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Bush taking responsibility for something! I never thought I'd see the day. Let him foot the bill then for the relief


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(that's me being speechless)
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Well we do have the mid-term elections to get through yet
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Wow. I didn't think he had it in him. Smart move.
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Now we just have to wait for the Mayor and Governor to take responsibility as well.
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by the way, "taking" responsibility and "being" responsible are two different things
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
by the way, "taking" responsibility and "being" responsible are two different things

I agree... Bush was primarily not reponsible for what happened but in the "buck stops here" fashion he seems to be taking responsibility. I wonder if officials at other levels will do the same.
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
by the way, "taking" responsibility and "being" responsible are two different things
If you take responsibility, that by definition makes you responsible.

I too am shocked that he would actually take responsibility. Maybe he'll give himself a medal.
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
by the way, "taking" responsibility and "being" responsible are two different things
Good point. Considering it's mostly the local officals who "are" responsible.
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Now we just have to wait for the Mayor and Governor to take responsibility as well.
Hell may have frozen over... but Iraq hasn't. Bush has been a much easier target... perhaps until now.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
I too am shocked that he would actually take responsibility. Maybe he'll give himself a medal.

A perfect example of "Bush can do no right" if I ever saw one.
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Kudos to the president.
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
Kudos to the president.
For stating the obvious?

Someone must have told him his poll numbers couldn't drop any lower, so he might as well see what happened if he "did the opposite," to use a George Costanza phrase.
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Originally Posted by nevermind
Now we just have to wait for the Mayor and Governor to take responsibility as well.


This a very go.... Hold on



This a very good move by the President.

Now, quick! Someone ask Nancy Pelosi for an exact list of what he is taking responsibility for. I would guess her answer would be:

1) All that went wrong.

2) All the things that didn't go right.

Seriously, Bush stopped the buck. People wanted it, and he did it. Sadly, it's not surprising to see him take shit for it.
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Originally Posted by Mad Dawg


This a very go.... Hold on



This a very good move by the President.

Now, quick! Someone ask Nancy Pelosi for an exact list of what he is taking responsibility for. I would guess her answer would be:

1) All that went wrong.

2) All the things that didn't go right.

Seriously, Bush stopped the buck. People wanted it, and he did it. Sadly, it's not surprising to see him take shit for it.

I think "how" he is going to be responsible for it is a fair question. Again, saying you take responsibility without consequences isn't that difficult. It's a change of pace from his "do no wrong" approach, but I don't think it's anything to cream your jeans over either.
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Originally Posted by Mad Dawg


This a very go.... Hold on


I thought you'd get a kick out of that.
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I think "how" he is going to be responsible for it is a fair question.
What would be the fair answer in your opinion?
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So did he take responsibility for hating black people?
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
I think "how" he is going to be responsible for it is a fair question. Again, saying you take responsibility without consequences isn't that difficult. It's a change of pace from his "do no wrong" approach, but I don't think it's anything to cream your jeans over either.
"How" would you like him to be responsible? Censure? Impeachment? Wet noodle lashings? Nothing?

The last one is the correct answer, by the way.
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Originally Posted by nevermind

A perfect example of "Bush can do no right" if I ever saw one.
How long since the storm hit? How long since blame was placed at his feet? How long since we knew the Federal Gov't screwed up?

None of these questions came into factor to when Bush would take blame. The only question that was asked was "Can I pass blame?" As soon as he realized he couldn't pass blame, he admited his fault.

You can't commend a person who only admits blame as a last resort.
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Originally Posted by nemein
What would be the fair answer in your opinion?
I haven't thought about it, frankly. I'm not saying he should resign or anything like that, by the way. If he's taking responsibility, he should have to do something to make up for the mistakes. You don't just take responsibility and all is forgiven. I think that's why he's gone this route. You break a vase in your parents living room (and even if your friend was the one broke it) you are still responsible and have to pay the consequences. There's no logical consequence to follow, so he gets the best of both worlds: looking responsible and not being punished or inconvenienced or whatever in any way. How about make his daughters help with the clean up?
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Originally Posted by Mad Dawg
"How" would you like him to be responsible?

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