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Old 11-10-04, 01:16 PM
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Election day sabatouge commited by Congresswomans son

Representative-elect's son arrested in tire slashings
By JOHN DIEDRICH
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Posted: Nov. 5, 2004

The 25-year-old son of newly elected congresswoman Gwen Moore was arrested Friday by Milwaukee police and later released in connection with the election day slashing of tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party, according to police records.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde, also known as Supreme Solar Allah, arrived at the Milwaukee police administration building Friday morning with his attorney, was arrested at 9 a.m. and held in the police holding facility for several hours before being released, according to records.

Omokunde is one of three suspects who had been arrested as of late Friday.

Opel E. Simmons III, 33, a veteran Democratic Party activist from Virginia, was arrested Tuesday and released Thursday without being charged. A 24-year-old man was arrested Friday afternoon in the same case, a police source said.

Investigators want to talk to Michael Pratt, son of former acting Mayor Marvin Pratt, who led Sen. John Kerry's Milwaukee campaign, but have not summoned him yet, police sources said. Michael Pratt could not be reached for comment.

David Feiss, the Milwaukee County assistant district attorney who is handling the case, said he had not received any reports yet and the investigation is continuing.

"There are a number of individuals, local and not local, who we are attempting to contact," Feiss said.

He said several of the suspects have hired attorneys. After talking to suspects, police will release them, he said. If there are charges, Feiss said, their attorneys will be contacted to arrange for them to come to court.

Omokunde, who lives with Moore, a Democrat elected to Congress on Tuesday, was not available for comment, according to a man who answered the phone at Moore's home.

Omokunde's attorney, Robin Shellow, said he was booked by police and released, but declined to comment further.

Shellow said she called police to arrange for Omokunde to come in.

"If the police are looking for one's client, you pick up the phone and say (to police), 'What would you like us to do, and how could we make your job easier?' . . . That's the way responsible families handle it."

On Tuesday morning, 27 tires on 20 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed. The vehicles were parked in the 7100 block of W. Capitol Drive.

A security guard reported seeing a man running from the scene that morning, police said. Tuesday night, police arrested Simmons, who was in town drumming up support for the Kerry campaign.
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Shouldnt he have been out campaigning for his mother?
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I knew it was a democrat becuase the party affiliation wasn't in the headline.
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Originally posted by bhk
I knew it was a democrat becuase the party affiliation wasn't in the headline.
I knew it was a democrat because Tommy Ceez posted it.
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I knew it was a democrat because Tommy Ceez posted it.

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What could it be, it's a marouge!
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Originally posted by JasonF
I knew it was a democrat because Tommy Ceez posted it.





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Originally posted by JasonF
I knew it was a democrat because Tommy Ceez posted it.
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Supreme Solar Allah...

With a name like that, he probably thought he could do whatever he wanted.
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5 charged in voter supression case.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jan05/295825.asp

Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann announced this morning that five of the seven men arrested in the election-day slashing of Republican vehicles' tires - including the sons of two prominent Milwaukee Democratic politicians - have been charged with felonies and will appear in court this afternoon.

The five who were charged with felony criminal damage to property for slashing 40 tires on 25 vehicles are:

* Michael Pratt, 32, of the 400 block of N. 16th St., Milwaukee. Pratt is the son of former acting mayor Marvin Pratt.

* Sowande A. Omokunde, 25, of the 4000 block of N. 19th Place, Milwaukee. Omokunde is the son of U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore.

* Lewis G. Caldwell, 28, of the 2900 block of N. Summit Ave., Milwaukee.

* Lavelle Mohammad, 35, of the 4700 block of W. Lloyd St., Milwaukee.

* Justin Howell, 20, of the 2400 block of N. Olive St., Racine.

The vans had been rented by the state Republican Party to transport voters to the polls on election day Nov. 2.

If convicted, each of the five faces up to a $10,00 fine and up to 3 1/2 years in prison. The crime met the $2,500 damage threshold as a felony because the slashed tires and towing costs totaled more than $5,300, according to the criminal complaint filed today. It says the men were caught after a security guard in the Republican Party headquarters parking lot saw the vandalism and wrote down the license-plate numbers of a fleeing car.

McCann said the state's relatively clean political history makes such election-day sabotage without precedent in his memory.

"This isn't what goes on all the time in Wisconsin," he said, citing his recollection of contentious elections from the late 1960s. "... There might be signs town down in those campaigns, but never anything like this."

He said the investigation had taken nearly 12 weeks because witnesses had dispersed after the election to states including Georgia, Virginia, Maryland and New York, and FBI investigators were sent to conduct the interviews.

"Lying to an FBI agent is a federal offense," McCann explained.

He said the FBI reports only got back to his office Jan. 14 because the slashings, though locally controversial, probably weren't the highest priority for federal investigators more concerned with terrorism threats.

"You've got to understand how this looks elsewhere," McCann said. "It's a tire-slashing case. ... I never got a call from (Attorney General John) Ashcroft about the case."
A good start but there should be federal charges as well.
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Burn them!

(OK -- send them all to jail. And bhk's right -- there should be federal charges, too).
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Gwen Moore should have to step down.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Gwen Moore should have to step down.
Why? Has she been implicated at all? Is she guilty of anything other than raising a stupid, criminal kid?
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What's the chance of this making the nat'l evening news?
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I guess all those times I told my liberal friends that the election wasn't rigged I was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Myster X
What's the chance of this making the nat'l evening news?
I think it will be the lead story on CBS.











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Originally Posted by JasonF
Why? Has she been implicated at all? Is she guilty of anything other than raising a stupid, criminal kid?
I don't think there is much doubt that had Kerry won, that would have helped her career much moreso than having Bush in office. Therefore, it could also be logically deduced that he broke the law to further his mothers career. There is a line there that has been crossed.

When her own son is breaking laws to help her, she needs to take responsbility for that.

I can certainly understand people not agreeing, it's just my opinion on this. I almost never ask for anyone to step down, especially on matter they probably weren't directly involved in. This, to me, is an exception.
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Was Moore up for reelection in 04?
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Originally Posted by mosquitobite
Was Moore up for reelection in 04?
She's in the House of Representatives, so yes.
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Originally Posted by Myster X
What's the chance of this making the nat'l evening news?
Liberal media! Booga Booga!
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Originally Posted by General Zod
I don't think there is much doubt that had Kerry won, that would have helped her career much moreso than having Bush in office. Therefore, it could also be logically deduced that he broke the law to further his mothers career. There is a line there that has been crossed.

When her own son is breaking laws to help her, she needs to take responsbility for that.

I can certainly understand people not agreeing, it's just my opinion on this. I almost never ask for anyone to step down, especially on matter they probably weren't directly involved in. This, to me, is an exception.
But every Democrat or liberal stood to gain if Kerry won and every Republican or Conservative stood to gain if Bush won. Moore's kid is 25. I don't think you can tar Moore with the brush of her son's wrongdoing simply because she's a Democratic politician.
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But every Democrat or liberal stood to gain if Kerry won and every Republican or Conservative stood to gain if Bush won. Moore's kid is 25. I don't think you can tar Moore with the brush of her son's wrongdoing simply because she's a Democratic politician.
How would you feel if it was Tom Delay's kid doing something like this in Texas? I'd be pissed.

Still, legally, I don't know if you can hold someone accountable for the actions of their adult kid. She could step down on principle, but I don't think there's any legal way to make her step down.
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How would you feel if it was Tom Delay's kid doing something like this in Texas? I'd be pissed.

Still, legally, I don't know if you can hold someone accountable for the actions of their adult kid. She could step down on principle, but I don't think there's any legal way to make her step down.
I wouldn't expect DeLay to step down solely because his kid committed a crime, even one as bound up in politics as this one. I would expect the investigation to address whether DeLay was involved or knew anything, and I hope that this investigation is addressing whether Moore was involved or knew anything.
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Dems Charged in Election Day tire Slashing

Lawmaker's Son Charged in Tire-Slashing
By GRETCHEN EHLKE, Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE - The sons of a first-term congresswoman and Milwaukee's former acting mayor were among five Democratic activists charged Monday with slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans to drive voters and monitors to the polls on Election Day.



Sowande Omokunde, son of Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis., and Michael Pratt, the son of former Milwaukee acting mayor Marvin Pratt, were among those charged with criminal damage to property, a felony that carries a maximum punishment of 3 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.


The activists are accused of flattening the tires on 25 vehicles rented by the state Republican Party to get out the vote and deliver poll watchers Nov. 2.


Also charged were Lewis Caldwell and Lavelle Mohammad, both from Milwaukee, and Justin Howell of Racine.


The GOP rented more than 100 vehicles that were parked in a lot adjacent to a Bush campaign office. The party planned to drive poll watchers to polling places by 7 a.m. and deliver any voters who didn't have a ride.


A criminal complaint said the defendants originally planned to put up Democratic yard signs, placards and bumper stickers at the Republican office in a scheme they called "Operation Elephant Takeover." But the plan was dropped when they learned a security guard was posted at the GOP office, the complaint said.


One witness told investigators the five defendants, dressed in "Mission Impossible" type gear, black outfits and knit caps, left the Democratic Party headquarters at about 3 a.m. on Nov. 2, and returned about 20 minutes later, extremely excited and talking about how they had slashed the tires.


Democratic Party of Wisconsin spokesman Seth Boffeli said the five were paid employees of John Kerry (news - web sites)'s presidential campaign, but were not acting on behalf of the campaign or party.


"This is not something we engage in, or encourage. We had to make it clear that this is something these individuals were doing on their own," Boffeli said.


Some Republican officials have criticized Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann, a Democrat, for taking more than two months to bring charges.


McCann said FBI (news - web sites) agents were involved in interviewing witnesses in four states: Georgia, Virginia, Maryland and New York.


"We asked the FBI knowing that this probably wouldn't be their first priority," he said.


Rick Wiley, state GOP executive director, discovered the vandalism on the morning of Election Day.


"It was unbelievable that people could stoop this low in a political campaign," he said. "I figured it had to be someone from the opposition. But I didn't think someone on the paid Kerry campaign would do this."


Wiley didn't say whether the vandalism prevented anyone from voting, but said poll watchers were about two hours late.


Moore did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
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