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Old 12-03-04, 04:15 PM
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Bush's Ohio Win Was Closer Than Thought

<a href = "http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20041203/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote"><b>Bush's Ohio Win Was Closer Than Thought</a></b>

By JOHN SEEWER, Associated Press Writer

TOLEDO, Ohio - President Bush's victory over John Kerry in Ohio was closer than the unofficial election night totals showed, but the change is not enough to trigger an automatic recount, according to county-by-county results provided to The Associated Press on Friday.

Bush's margin of victory in the state that put him over the top in his re-election bid will be about 119,000 votes — smaller than the unofficial margin of 136,000, the county election board figures showed. That means Kerry drew closer by about 17,000 votes.

The margin shrank primarily because of the addition of provisional ballots that were not counted on Election Day and were not included in the unofficial tally. Overseas ballots also were added to the count in all 88 counties.

Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell will certify the results Monday.

The president's margin of victory was about 2 percent, not close enough to require an automatic recount. That happens only when the difference is 0.25 percent or less.

Bush beat Kerry nationally by 3 percentage points.

Out of 156,977 provisional ballots checked, 121,598 were pronounced valid and were accepted, meaning about one in five was thrown out, according to an AP tabulation. Provisional voters are cast when poll workers cannot immediately confirm if a voter was properly registered.

The Kerry campaign and two third-party candidates are seeking a recount in Ohio. The Green and Libertarian parties said they have raised enough money to cover the cost. The Kerry campaign said it is not disputing the outcome of the presidential race but wants to make sure any recount is "done accurately and completely."

A hearing on the recount request began in federal court in Columbus on Friday afternoon.

The narrowing of Bush's margin only increases the possibility that the election results could be changed, the Green Party said. "Who knows what else will turn up when we examine the discarded ballots?" Green spokesman Blair Bobier asked.
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Everyone knows Bush was "clear" winner.

Jeez.
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Old 12-03-04, 04:27 PM
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Surely, since the Greens and Kerry are interested in "Every Vote", they are funding recount efforts in the other close [less than 2% margin] states, such as
Iowa .9%
New Hampshire 1.3%
New Mexico 1.1%
Wisconsin .4%

That's the only way a recount effort would be 'accurate and complete.'

And I seem to recall seeing that the Greens raised enough money for a provisional recount, but that the actual recount, to the tune of millions, would be funded by Your Humble Taxpayers.
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Actually there is a recount effort going on in New Mexico as well http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?REC...ontent%5D=7551
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Originally posted by nemein
Actually there is a recount effort going on in New Mexico as well http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?REC...ontent%5D=7551
It just killed Richardson that he couldn't deliver his state.
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It just killed Richardson that he couldn't deliver his state.
I believe there is a Repub (former governor) in the cabinet today that couldn't deliver his state to Bush - remember?
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He wasn't the darling of the Republicans as Richardson is to the Democrats. Richardson had to continually say he was taking himself out of consideration as the VP candidate and practically guaranteed a Democrat win in New Mexico.
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He wasn't the darling of the Republicans as Richardson is to the Democrats. Richardson had to continually say he was taking himself out of consideration as the VP candidate and practically guaranteed a Democrat win in New Mexico.
Get outta here!!!

He guaranteed to deliver. He failed.

That's typical Republican action - they reward failure with a cabinet position.
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Your tirades on Republicans are getting boring.
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Your tirades on Republicans are getting boring.
Your defenses of the Republican party and your attacks on the Democratic party are even more boring.
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I love the headline.
Even if it's 130K from the previous 136, it's still consider than thought.
It's the only way to get liberals hope up.
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Are you guys talking about Thompson - not to be nitpicky but I think he resigned today - so technically, he's not in the cabinet anymore.

But I support c-man anyway...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Dec3.html

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Your tirades on Republicans are getting boring.
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Your defenses of the Republican party and your attacks on the Democratic party are even more boring.
Yet watching you two butt heads day after day is most entertaining.
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At this rate, they'll only have to recount 4 more times and bring in 600,000 more provisional ballots before Bush and Kerry are tied!
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I demand a recount!

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man we need to fix this election mess.

What we do know is just a joke.
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Originally posted by DVD Polizei
I demand a recount!

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man we need to fix this election mess.
I think the "mess" is due to a power-at-all-costs mentality that has taken root.
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And this is supposed to be a "mandate?"

I'd call it a "squeaker" but I guess that doesn't have the same ring to it.
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And this is supposed to be a "mandate?"

I'd call it a "squeaker" but I guess that doesn't have the same ring to it.
Mandate - the right to govern

It's even more of a mandate since he was an incumbent. The majority of the American voters approved of how he was handling his job.
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I'd call it a "squeaker" but I guess that doesn't have the same ring to it.
A victory with both a two-point plurality and a genuine majority is not a squeaker. Even if some of the regional races were tight.

Clinton's first victory was in the neighborhood of 42%, yet I don't recall anyone casting doubt on its legitimacy.
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Ohio makes Bush victory official

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Democrats to investigate voting procedures
Monday, December 6, 2004 Posted: 4:34 PM EST (2134 GMT)

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- This battleground state on Monday certified President Bush's 119,000-vote victory over John Kerry, even as third-party candidates prepared to demand a statewide recount.

The president won Ohio with 2.86 million votes, or 51 percent, to Kerry's 2.74 million votes, or 49 percent.

The 118,775-vote lead was closer than the unofficial election night margin of 136,000, but not enough to trigger a mandatory recount. Absentee ballots and provisional votes counted after election night made most of the difference.

"This was an election where you have some glitches but none of these glitches were of a conspiratorial nature and none of them would overturn or change the election results," Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell said.

The presidential election hung on Ohio, prized for its 20 electoral votes. Not until the morning after the election did Kerry finally concede -- realizing there were not enough provisional ballots to erase Bush's lead.

But presidential candidates for the Green and Libertarian parties planned to file requests for recounts on Monday and Tuesday.

Recount advocates have cited numerous Election Day problems, from long lines, a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority neighborhoods and suspicious vote totals for candidates in scattered precincts.

A ruling by a federal judge in Columbus on Friday rejected one county's attempt to stop a recount, avoiding a legal precedent that could have stopped other recounts. Green and Libertarian party candidates have already raised the required $113,600.

Both major parties have said they do not expect the recount to change the result of the election.

The Democratic Party also said Monday it will examine reports of voting problems in Ohio.

Outgoing Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the party will spend "whatever it takes" to study complaints from Ohio voters.

McAuliffe said the party is not seeking to overturn the result but to ensure that every vote is counted. He said the study will be conducted by nonpartisan experts to be announced later, with a report issued in the spring that recommends reforms to prevent such problems in the future.

Blackwell, a Republican, oversaw the election process while serving as one of several statewide GOP leaders who co-chaired Bush's campaign. The 2000 Florida recount was also administered by a Republican secretary of state, Katherine Harris, who is now a member of Congress.

In a conference call with reporters, McAuliffe said the panel needs to look at the practice of secretaries of state serving as campaign officials. He said he personally thinks it's a laudable goal for election officials to be nonpartisan.
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