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Old 11-29-04, 09:43 AM
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Chemical weapons lab found in Falluja

Was this posted somewhere and I missed it, or have people been taking a vacation from Other/Politics over the holiday?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/25/iraq.main/
Iraqi forces find chemical materials in lab
Official: Top al-Zarqawi aide arrested

Friday, November 26, 2004 Posted: 5:37 AM EST (1037 GMT)

A lab was "manufacturing death, intoxication and assassination," Iraq's national security adviser said.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi soldiers have discovered chemical materials in a Falluja lab, while a top aide of wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been arrested in Mosul, Iraq's interim national security adviser said Thursday.

The reports came as U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted anti-insurgency operations in Falluja, Mosul and south of Baghdad in the province of Babil.

Iraq's interim National Security Adviser Kasim Dawood announced discovery of the lab with chemical materials which he said was "manufacturing death, intoxication and assassination."

"We have also discovered in this laboratory a pamphlet and instructions showing how to manufacture explosives and toxins," Dawood said. "And they also talk about the production of anthrax."

In Washington, a U.S. military official confirmed that materials found in the laboratory included instructions for making anthrax, as well as formulas and ingredients for making explosives and chemical blood agents.

Also found in the lab were hydrochloric acid and sodium cyanide, which can be used to make the blood agent hydrogen cyanide, the military official said.

A U.S. military spokesman in Falluja downplayed the discovery, saying "there is no indication right now that (the chemicals) were being used to produce chemical weapons."

"They were, however, being used to make improvised explosives," the spokesman said Wednesday, as he showed slides of the chemicals and a book containing chemical formulas. "There were many formulas on how to make explosives and how to make different types of poison."

Dawood said alleged al-Zarqawi aide Abu Said was arrested on Tuesday in the northern city of Mosul. An audio message purported to be by the Jordanian-born al Qaeda associate was discovered on the Internet on Wednesday. (Full story)

On Thursday, forces in Mosul detained three suspected insurgents, the U.S. military said. Two of the detainees were arrested in a cordon-and-search operation in the west-central sector of the city. One detainee was identified as a member of a terrorist cell. A detainee who was arrested in eastern Mosul was wanted for "anti-Iraqi activities," the U.S. military said.

South of Baghdad, Iraqi, U.S. and British forces Thursday arrested 81 suspected insurgents during a third day of their anti-rebel offensive in Babil province, the U.S. military said.

The arrests were made in the early morning near Yousefiya by Iraqi SWAT personnel, elements of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit and the 1st Battalion of Britain's Black Watch Regiment, according to a military statement.

Black Watch rounded up 26 people. Iraqi forces and Marines detained 43. Elsewhere in the area, Marines arrested 12 others, the statement said, raising the total arrests of suspected insurgents since Tuesday to 116.

The Babil operation, the U.S. military has said, differs from the recent mass assault in Falluja. It is surgical rather than sweeping -- more of a focused hit-and-run operation.

In Falluja, the former rebel stronghold west of Baghdad, U.S. Marines said Thursday that U.S. and Iraqi forces had discovered a huge weapons cache inside a mosque compound.

A statement from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force called the find the city's "largest weapons cache to date."

The Marines said the compound -- the Saad Abi Bin Waqas Mosque -- was also being used as a suspected safe house and planning site for insurgents in Falluja.

The statement didn't provide specific numbers of the weapons -- which were discovered by U.S. and Iraqi forces on Wednesday.

The statement did say that the mosque compound was "heavily laden with small arms, artillery shells, heavy machine guns, and anti-tank mines."

"Other buildings within the compound had mortar systems, rocket-propelled grenades, launchers, recoilless rifles and parts of surface-to-air weapons systems. Marines also found the barrel of an anti-aircraft gun outside one of the buildings." (Full story)

The operations in Babil, Falluja and elsewhere are aimed at putting down anti-American fighters and rebels against Iraq's interim government in advance of the nation's first, free Democratic elections since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. The elections are scheduled for January 30.
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# This month's U.S.-Iraqi assault on insurgents in Falluja has resulted in 2,085 deaths -- not including U.S. or Iraqi forces -- and the arrest of more than 1,600 people, Iraqi interim National Security Adviser Dawood said.

# An Iraqi Red Crescent humanitarian aid team of 56 staff members arrived in Falluja Wednesday with seven ambulances and three trucks loaded with food, water, and medical aid, the group's chairman, Said Ismail Hakki, said Thursday. Two Falluja aid centers have been set up in the city, Hakki said.

# Iraq's interim foreign minister said Thursday his government will meet with tribal leaders and Iraqi opposition groups in an attempt to help broaden Iraq's political base for the upcoming elections. Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said the meeting will take place in Jordan sometime before the election. Zebari also said interior ministers from neighboring countries will meet Tuesday in Tehran, Iran, to discuss security matters.

CNN's Ayman Mohyeldin, Kianne Sadeq, Cal Perry, Kevin Flower and Barbara Starr contributed to this report.
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I almost posted it, but already knew what everyone's responses would be.
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Saddam would have kept this kind of crap from happening.
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It's a lot less impressive when you see the picture.

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Originally posted by Jason
It's a lot less impressive when you see the picture.

I saw a lot more than that on TV the other day.
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Originally posted by Jason
It's a lot less impressive when you see the picture.

shit... my meth lab looks more impressive than that.
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It's a "chemical bioagent lab program-related informational and reagent outlet." Add that to the rusty warheads from 1991 and the conventional missiles that exceeded the limit by like 30 feet.

At this rate, we might actually reach "WMD arsenal" status in about 45 years.

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Originally posted by Thor Simpson
I almost posted it, but already knew what everyone's responses would be.
Looks like you were right
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Yeah, I think we have a current Homeland Security threat status of:

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Originally posted by nemein
Looks like you were right
Well what do you expect? Look at the picture - that's pathetic... no beakers, no glowing liquids, no tesla coils - what kind of lab doesn't have these things?
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I need more evidence.
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(I think) I heard more about this on the radio today. Is this the same discovery that American troops said was at least 10 years old, so old in fact that the chemicals had lost all potency and thus were useless?

Thor/nemein, we have some people who desperately seek proof that Iraq had WMD to justify the invasion. We have people who desperately want there to be no evidence of WMD. And then we have the rest of us (most of us?) who actually just want to know the truth rather than jump to conclusions, one way or the other.
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Thor/nemein, we have some people who desperately seek proof that Iraq had WMD to justify the invasion. We have people who desperately want there to be no evidence of WMD. And then we have the rest of us (most of us?) who actually just want to know the truth rather than jump to conclusions, one way or the other.
Doesn't posting an article about a current event in Iraq fit in w/ trying to figure out the truth (as much as the press will allow us ). Regarding the whole WMD issue, first I'll remind you that WMD was only one of the reasons I thought the war was justified and lack of finding them hasn't changed my opinion at all. Second I hadn't heard about the "10 year old" aspect, in fact I had thought that this was something new they started after the war started, not proof of the WMD from before.
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The computers I saw in the video shot in there sure didn't look 10 years old, although I'm not sure whether they were in the lab or in the command center.
Last week, Iraqi soldiers searching a house discovered what appeared to be a command center for militants associated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant who is the most wanted insurgent in Iraq. In that house, the soldiers found what they said were believed to be letters between Mr. Zarqawi and some of his lieutenants, along with weapons, computers, bomb-making materials and medical supplies.

And there has been at least one discovery of a quite different kind. Near the house with the cage, soldiers searched a house that officials said contained a primitive chemical weapons lab. They said the lab had sodium cyanide, potassium cyanide, sulfuric acid, hydrochloric acid, and other chemicals, along with indications that insurgents were trying to use them to make bombs. Exactly what weaponry they were experimenting with is not clear. There were no reports of chemical weapons used in the battle for Falluja.
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In this photograph, which was released by the Iraqi government on November 25, 2004, computer terminals lie among the debris of a damaged room after it was raided by U.S. and Iraqi troops in the western war-torn city of Falluja, where they discovered what they claim is a laboratory for the manufacture of chemical weapons, according to an Iraqi minister. Picture taken on November 25, 2004. QUALITY FROM SOURCE REUTERS/HO
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BTW for those complaining/dimissing this because of the "size" of the find, just how large of a cache/lab do we have to find before it'll be a concern for our troops over there?
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Originally posted by DarkElf
Thor/nemein, we have some people who desperately seek proof that Iraq had WMD to justify the invasion. We have people who desperately want there to be no evidence of WMD. And then we have the rest of us (most of us?) who actually just want to know the truth rather than jump to conclusions, one way or the other.
Right. I'm not saying it's not meaningful news. Just that it wasn't groundbreaking enough to merit a productive discussion on the issue in ways that haven't been done 10 times over.
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Originally posted by nemein
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It's weapons-of-mass-destruction-program-related information development and communication equipment!

($5 says they used this cluster for training... in the form of Counter-Strike.)

Taking this trend to its logical next step: I predict that tomorrow the AP will release a photo of some weapons-of-mass-destruction-program-activity-related filing cabinets.

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Originally posted by nemein
Doesn't posting an article about a current event in Iraq fit in w/ trying to figure out the truth (as much as the press will allow us ).
Of course it does. I wasn't saying you were guilty of anything, especially since you clearly gave no opinion on the story, you simply posted it as news. But you and Thor were the ones saying the responses would be predictable, and I agreed. Based on what I hear on talk radio, it's clear to me that the extremes for both sides jump to immediate conclusions. And the rest of us wait for all the information. Sorry you felt like I wasn't including you in the "rest of us" group.

Regarding the whole WMD issue, first I'll remind you that WMD was only one of the reasons I thought the war was justified and lack of finding them hasn't changed my opinion at all. Second I hadn't heard about the "10 year old" aspect, in fact I had thought that this was something new they started after the war started, not proof of the WMD from before.
The ever-changing justifications for going to war are an entirely different discussion, so I won't go into it here.

And I don't know if the "10 year old" aspect related to THIS particular find or not. I was asking the question. But unless they've found two such labs recently, then I would assume it's the same story.
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