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Old 11-20-04, 04:16 PM
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Abortion Survey

I know this isn't exactly scientific nor is it a random sample, but I'm curious how people here really feel about the subject of abortion. I don't really want this to turn into a debate, I really just want to see people's answers to the questions.

1. I consider myself...
a. pro-life
b. pro-choice
c. other

2. Abortion...
a. should be illegal in all circumstances.
b. should be illegal except when a mother's life/health is in danger.
c. should be illegal except when rape or incest has occured (and b).
d. should be illegal after x weeks (define x)
e. should be legal in all circumstances.
f. Other (please explain)

3. Life begins (or the unborn is morally equivalent to the born)...
a. at conception.
b. at heatbeat.
c. at brain activity.
d. at viability (live on own outside the womb).
e. at birth.
f. Other (Please explain).

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Old 11-20-04, 04:34 PM
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Life begins at 40 from what I have heard.
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Old 11-20-04, 04:38 PM
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I guess I believe abortion should be illegal after "x" weeks, but I don't have a definitive number for "x". I don't really believe the cellular material joined together at the moment of conception is equivalent to a human life, but I do believe the partial birth abortions are tantamount to infanticide. I don't have a medical background, but I guess I would lean towards the heartbeat/brain activity timeframe as the cutoff for abortion.
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Old 11-20-04, 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by kvrdave
Life begins at 40 from what I have heard.
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Old 11-20-04, 06:43 PM
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This controversial issue is making me uneasy.
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Old 11-20-04, 06:54 PM
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1.) I consider myself: (c) Other. I consider myself pro abortion rights (I do not like the terms pro-choice or pro-life; they are both deliberately loaded terms, and inaccurate in their implications about those on the other side).

2.) Abortion should be: (d) illegal after 24 weeks of gestation; but should be legal at any time when the mother's life or health (has to be pretty serious) is in danger.

3.) Human life begins at: (c) when brain activity begins to resemble what it will be for the rest of life (this happens no earlier than 24 weeks - thus my answer to 2.) ). (Life begins at conception but human life is what matters.)

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Old 11-20-04, 06:57 PM
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Old 11-20-04, 07:43 PM
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1) I consider myself pro-choice.

2) But I'm confortable limiting legal abortion to the first trimester, when the physical health of the mother is not at risk. By definition, the more viable the fetus becomes, the more another life must be considered.

3) Life begins (or the unborn is morally equivalent to the born)...

Other, I guess. To say life begins at a specific moment is to make an unscientific absolute of the answer. Sperm and eggs could be called living, or potential life... and though they could never survive on their own, neither could a fertilized egg. Still, from the moment of conception the egg is on its way to becoming independant life, so it is something more. But not much more.

Again I can only fall back on definitions: the unborn is the exact moral equivalent of the born only when they become born. Yet they're getting closer to that moral equivalence throughout the pregnancy. They're already close enough after the first trimester that their lives/potential lives deserve some measure of legal respect.
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1. I consider myself...(b) pro-choice.
2. Abortion...(d) should be legal except for partial birth abortions.
3. The unborn is morally equivalent to the born...(c) at brain activity.
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Old 11-20-04, 08:00 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I appreciate it. I realize that some of my questions aren't perfect and I'm sure I couldn't have worded them in a way that would have made everyone happy.

I actually started this thread to get a better idea of where people really are on this issue. I suspect that more people are somewhere between #2's "a" and "e" choices than at "a" or "e" and I wanted to get a better idea of where that place is.
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1) b
2) d- 24 (only because I believe people need to be fucking decisive. afaik, there is no reason to wait 'til the last minute and no surprises that will come up in the last month. I am morally receptive to 'e' if there is a legit reason to wait that long)
3) e
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1.b (pro choice)
2.d (where x is how many weeks to viability, I guess)
3.d (viability)

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Old 11-20-04, 09:02 PM
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I do not like the terms pro-choice or pro-life; they are both deliberately loaded terms, and inaccurate in their implications about those on the other side).
I believe the word you're looking for is 'euphemism.'
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Old 11-20-04, 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by movielib
(I do not like the terms pro-choice or pro-life; they are both deliberately loaded terms, and inaccurate in their implications about those on the other side).

I guess it's difficult. Pro-abortion rights sounds ok. I was thinking pro-abortion doesn't really work because it makes it sound like those who want legalized abortions like are "for" abortion.

I used the standard terms that people are familiar with even if they aren't the best terms to describe a person's belief. Because both terms are qually bad (pro-choice implies that the other is anti-choice and pro-life implies the other is anti-life), I didn't think anyone would be too offended. Or maybe that both sides would be equally offended.
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A,B,A.

Although I <B>fully support a woman's right to choose</B>. You know, when it comes to voting, clothing, etc...
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BTW,

I like Movielib's phrasing better than my own... "Human Life begins at..."
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Old 11-20-04, 10:14 PM
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I just realized that I didn't seperate the legal and the moral question. I.e. When does one believe abortion is "wrong" versus when does one believe it should be illegal.
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Old 11-20-04, 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by movielib
3.) Human life begins at: (c) when brain activity begins to resemble what it will be for the rest of life (this happens no earlier than 24 weeks - thus my answer to 2.) ). (Life begins at conception but human life is what matters.)
I have to ask...so what the hell is it going to be before 24 weeks? Non-human? A bird? An insect?

It's always human. I have never understood this rationale.
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I have to ask...so what the hell is it going to be before 24 weeks? Non-human? A bird? An insect?
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movielib's answers are ones to which I can subscribe (surprise surprise).
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I have to ask...so what the hell is it going to be before 24 weeks? Non-human? A bird? An insect?
It's a fetus. It has the potential to become human but it is not yet human. It is obviously different from a fetus that has the potential to become, say, a pig but both fetuses (feti?) are not human.
It's always human.
I disagree.
I have never understood this rationale.
That doesn't mean it's wrong.
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Originally posted by brianluvdvd
I have to ask...so what the hell is it going to be before 24 weeks? Non-human? A bird? An insect?

It's always human. I have never understood this rationale.
To be honest, I generally subscribe to "conception" as the beginning, but not for religious (more accurately: not biblical) or scientific reasons -- I just think its difficult to choose a time afterwards, but I've always liked movielib's answer. From a purely secular standpoint (where you don't have to worry about the soul), his view seems to make the most sense to me.

One has to ask what is it that makes us alive and what is it that makes us human. Movielib believes that it is our conscious that makes us a living human being, which logically he links to brain activity.
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Re: Abortion Survey

1. I consider myself...
a. pro-life


2. Abortion...
b. should be illegal except when a mother's life/health is in danger.
c. should be illegal except when rape or incest has occured (and b).
d. should be illegal after x weeks (define x)

3. Life begins (or the unborn is morally equivalent to the born)...
f. Other - who can really say?
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Old 11-21-04, 12:32 AM
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Re: Re: Abortion Survey

Originally posted by JMLEWIS1

2. Abortion...
b. should be illegal except when a mother's life/health is in danger.
c. should be illegal except when rape or incest has occured (and b).
d. should be illegal after x weeks (define x)


C assumes B. I'm guessing that you believe that early abortions are ok except when b or c is an issue?


3. Life begins (or the unborn is morally equivalent to the born)...
f. Other - who can really say?
I'd guess most people have an opinion on this as it would seem that you'd have to have an opinion on it in order to have an opinion on abortion.
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Old 11-21-04, 01:08 AM
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1. B

2. A

3. E
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1. B

2. A

3. E
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