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Old 11-18-04, 12:27 PM
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Democrats, like dodos, will soon be extinct

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Democrats, like dodos, will soon be extinct
By Brian G. Fortin, Catharpin
11/12/2004


Addicted to a steady morphine drip of liberal news slant, the Democrats were caught unaware and stunned like a clubbed dodo bird by the election results on Election Day.


They shouldn't have been. This has been as much a steady march to power by the Republicans over the last three decades as it has been an unrelenting retreat by the Democrats from the constituency they claim to represent.


The party of the big tent, once seen as the party of middle America and not of the elite, is now a circus tent for socialists, America-haters, multiculturalists, and left-wing conspiracy kooks. They actually seemed surprised they lost an election that was staked on America failing in Iraq. Who the heck wants to vote for us to lose?

They also bet the election on an assertion that America suffered from lost jobs at a time when unemployment was lower than in the three preceding decades. How we can have a job problem when unemployment is low is an issue only a successful attorney like soon-to-be-former-senator John Edwards could argue.

One thing that went relatively unmentioned by the liberal media was the fact that Kerry was remarkably weak in many of the traditional Democratic strongholds. Late in the campaign, he had to pull out of several states because he was running out of campaign money and that was because he had to go back and shore up support in his traditionally strong states.

Even California, the backbone of the Democratic war machine, had a Republican turnout that was stronger than expected. Kerry also failed to galvanize the youth vote into a win. No candidate has ever succeeded in getting this group to the polls, and, despite their success, these efforts sparked an equal and opposite reaction in Republican turnout.

Future Democratic candidates will not have so much confidence in this shotgun strategy, and I doubt the 527s will be around long enough to help them mount quite such a Herculean effort in the future.

The Democratic Party is in a shambles and is rapidly becoming extinct, like the dodos. The complete loss of the South and central states has resulted in them losing all three branches of government.

Unless they do some soul-searching and that trend is reversed, all they can do is to try harder with the same game plan. For that to succeed, everything has to go perfectly, and, we all know, if your plan depends on everything going perfectly, you are asking for a defeat.

Like Bush, the next Republican candidate will enjoy multiple opportunities to piece together the magic 270 electoral votes. On the other hand, the next Democratic nominee will be trying to hold on to the same blue states and trying to win with essentially the same failed game plan of Gore and Kerry.

The Democrats cannot reverse a trend they refuse to recognize. America is offended by their politics. They are blinded by their ideology and their coercion with a demonstrably biased media that tells them just what they want to hear.

They can't even rely on media support anymore. Not because Dan Rather and other "responsible journalists," with a self-appointed duty to "interpret" the news for us, will not be there to back them up with forged memos or groundless issues. They will.

The Dems cannot rely on the mainstream media monopoly anymore because it is no longer mainstream and no longer a monopoly. The blogs have arrived.

The legacy of the 2004 presidential election is not a Bush presidency. It is the unmasking of the mainstream media before a dozing public that is finally coming to realize that they cannot believe Dan, Peter, Tom, or even Uncle Walter, because they are not telling the truth.

The loss of the mainstream media's audience to alternative media will continue for the same reason that the Democrats will continue to self-destruct. They are blinded by their own "enlightenment" and their self-absorbed superior intellect and faith in their unique insight into the truth. In short, they believe their own bull hockey.

These soon-to-be-extinct dodos do not agree that, in a representational government, you should represent the beliefs of your constituency, and most of America resents them for it.

Goodbye, dodos, or, as they say in Texas, adios partner.


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Rumors of their demise are most exaggerated.
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If they don't evolve natural selection will kill them off. But enough of them will probably evolve to survive. But whether the survivors make any difference will depend on time and their birthrate.
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If they don't evolve natural selection will kill them off. But enough of them will probably evolve to survive. But whether the survivors make any difference will depend on time and their birthrate.
I was actually giving a good bit of thought to this yesterday. IMO, one of the principal things that will have to happen is that, as a group, 'educated leftists' need to stop making fun of people who are poor and uneducated, and especially they have to stop making fun of how they vote and why. In other words, all this 'Jesusland' bullshit needs to end now if the Democrats are going to remain viable.
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Originally posted by wendersfan
I was actually giving a good bit of thought to this yesterday. IMO, one of the principal things that will have to happen is that, as a group, 'educated leftists' need to stop making fun of people who are poor and uneducated, and especially they have to stop making fun of how they vote and why. In other words, all this 'Jesusland' bullshit needs to end now if the Democrats are going to remain viable.
I think their biggest problem is that just not saying those things won't help them that much. They won't be able to keep their attitudes secret from the electorate. Enough of them will have to really believe it and that's where they're going to have problems.
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Originally posted by X
I think their biggest problem is that just not saying those things won't help them that much. They won't be able to keep their attitudes secret from the electorate. Enough of them will have to really believe it and that's where they're going to have problems.
I agree with you, and I wasn't clear enough in what I wrote. The party and ideological elites need to understand to their very core that, without the participation of non-college educated working class people, any liberal agenda, movement, or whatever, is a failure from the outset. In other words, they (the policy elites) need to be more accomodating in <i>their</i> attitudes, rather than demeaning the attitudes of the people whose votes they so desperately need.
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Originally posted by wendersfan
In other words, all this 'Jesusland' bullshit needs to end now if the Democrats are going to remain viable.
Perhaps if pastors,etc. stop preaching poilitics from the pulpit, it will stop. Personally, I know of four pastors here in Nashville who told their congregations that it was their duty as "good" Christians to vote for Bush. To me, that is as troubling as all the "Jesusland" bullshit.
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Originally posted by LiquidSky
Perhaps if pastors,etc. stop preaching poilitics from the pulpit, it will stop. Personally, I know of four pastors here in Nashville who told their congregations that it was their duty as "good" Christians to vote for Bush. To me, that is as troubling as all the "Jesusland" bullshit.
Maybe at the same time I could ask the pastor at <i>my</i> church to stop advocating a liberal political agenda from <i>his</i> pulpit...
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Perhaps if pastors,etc. stop preaching poilitics from the pulpit, it will stop. Personally, I know of four pastors here in Nashville who told their congregations that it was their duty as "good" Christians to vote for Bush. To me, that is as troubling as all the "Jesusland" bullshit.
And what of the black churches that do this just as often for the Dems
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Originally posted by wendersfan
Maybe at the same time I could ask the pastor at <i>my</i> church to stop advocating a liberal political agenda from <i>his</i> pulpit...
Then do it. I was invited by a friend to a church service and saw it first hand. My friend who is an attorney and I discussed it and talked to the pastor after the service. We warned him that he could loose his tax exemption for that type of behavior.

So, I say go talk to your pastor if you feel like it.
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Originally posted by wendersfan
The party and ideological elites need to understand to their very core that, without the participation of non-college educated working class people, any liberal agenda, movement, or whatever, is a failure from the outset. In other words, they (the policy elites) need to be more accomodating in <i>their</i> attitudes, rather than demeaning the attitudes of the people whose votes they so desperately need.
What's funny is that it's not really the "college educated" that voted Democrat. It's the non-high school educated and the "over" educated that did.
Originally posted by Venusian
VOTE BY EDUCATION BUSH KERRY NADER

No High School (4%) 49% 50% 0%

H.S. Graduate (22%) 52% 47% 0%

Some College (32%) 54% 46% 0%

College Graduate (26%) 52% 46% 1%

Postgrad Study (16%) 44% 55% 1%
So they have a real problem trying to bracket that one. Trying to act like the "we're smarter than you" party doesn't work.
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Originally posted by nemein
And what of the black churches that do this just as often for the Dems
The first-hand account I have was at a black church. See my response as to what my friend and I did.
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Originally posted by LiquidSky
Then do it. I was invited by a friend to a church service and saw it first hand. My friend who is an attorney and I discussed it and talked to the pastor after the service. We warned him that he could loose his tax exemption for that type of behavior.

So, I say go talk to your pastor if you feel like it.
Actually, I don't feel like it. I don't see anything particularly wrong with churches being involved in the political and social workings of their communities - it's what they're supposed to do, IMO. Even if I disagree with their political attitudes (which I often don't with my church) I support their efforts.
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Actually, I don't feel like it. I don't see anything particularly wrong with churches being involved in the political and social workings of their communities - it's what they're supposed to do, IMO. Even if I disagree with their political attitudes (which I often don't with my church) I support their efforts.
Those folks who insist on totally separating religion from politics scare the hell out of me.

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What's funny is that it's not really the "college educated" that voted Democrat. It's the non-high school educated and the "over" educated that did.
The problem is, of course, that the percentages they need from non-college educated voters has to be MUCH higher, like in the 60-65% range...
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The problem is, of course, that the percentages they need from non-college educated voters has to be MUCH higher, like in the 60-65% range...
Yeah, but they're too "dumb" to do that.
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Originally posted by wendersfan
Actually, I don't feel like it. I don't see anything particularly wrong with churches being involved in the political and social workings of their communities - it's what they're supposed to do, IMO. Even if I disagree with their political attitudes (which I often don't with my church) I support their efforts.
Then why did you post this?

Maybe at the same time I could ask the pastor at my church to stop advocating a liberal political agenda from his pulpit...
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If there are no more Democrats to vote for, I'll find someone else to vote for because it sure as heck ain't going to be the Republicans.
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The first-hand account I have was at a black church. See my response as to what my friend and I did.
So am I correctly interpreting you are saying that "preaching politics from the pulpit" only happens in favor of the Reps
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So am I correctly interpreting you are saying that "preaching politics from the pulpit" only happens in favor of the Reps
Nope. I think it's wrong for either political party. I was stating that the personal examples I know of were by Republicans. I have no doubt that Democrats did it too.
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Which presidential candidate actually went to churches to give campaign speeches?
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Which presidential candidate actually went to churches to give campaign speeches?
Since you posted this, I'm sure it was Kerry. If so, it was wrong for him to do it. I can admit when a liberal does something wrong. Can you do the same when a conservative does something wrong?
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Can you do the same when a conservative does something wrong?
Sure. Of course 25 liberals here always beat me to the punch so I'm left with nothing new to say.

However the whole religion/church/politics is pretty much a non-issue to me so I don't really care who does it.
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Sure. Of course 25 liberals here always beat me to the punch so I'm left with nothing new to say.

However the whole religion/church/politics is pretty much a non-issue to me so I don't really care who does it.
Fair enough
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Originally posted by LiquidSky
Then why did you post this?

Maybe at the same time I could ask the pastor at my church to stop advocating a liberal political agenda from his pulpit...
What I meant to type was that I often don't <i>agree</i>... I was screwed by the double-negative.

BTW - you need to read the current issue of <i>The Economist</i>. The article, "The Triumph of the Religious Right" puts paid to the concept that the US election was as much about values as everyone said it was.
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