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Breaking News: John Kerry Makes A Rare Appearance In The Senate!!

Old 11-17-04, 04:31 PM
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Breaking News: John Kerry Makes A Rare Appearance In The Senate!!

He's back!

He's busily talking about the campaign. Of course the business of the Senate is raising the debt limit.

I'm certain he'll get around to it.

He's been gone so long, he had to introduce himself to a number of his colleagues.
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Old 11-17-04, 04:32 PM
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why is this breaking news?
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Old 11-17-04, 04:37 PM
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John who?
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Old 11-17-04, 04:41 PM
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It's fun to see the games that are being played concerning the bill to raise the debt limit.

Sen. Stabenow said 'I reluctantly rise to oppose........
She knows fully well that the debt limit must be raised. There's nothing else the congress can do.

The Republicans played their game with the debt limit by putting off the vote until the election. Now the Democrats get their turn to play games.
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Old 11-17-04, 04:50 PM
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Sen. John Kerry, who has $45 million left from his record-breaking Democratic campaign, hinted on Tuesday that he may try again for the presidency.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html
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Old 11-17-04, 04:53 PM
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I'm confused. What senator who ever ran for President actually stayed in Washington and didn't campaign? Is W back too?
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Old 11-17-04, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by CRM114
I'm confused. What senator who ever ran for President actually stayed in Washington and didn't campaign? Is W back too?
Would you care to check Kerry's attendance record with other Senators who have run for President?
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Originally posted by classicman2
Would you care to check Kerry's attendance record with other Senators who have run for President?
Who was the last Senator to be a party nominee? McGovern? Am I mistaken? And if it indeed was McGovern, I'm not about to claim that political campaigns are run in the same manner as in 1972.
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Good thread title.
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Originally posted by CRM114
Who was the last Senator to be a party nominee? McGovern? Am I mistaken? And if it indeed was McGovern, I'm not about to claim that political campaigns are run in the same manner as in 1972.

Senator Dole.
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It would certainly be a sign of the apocalypse if Edwards were there as well.
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Old 11-17-04, 08:16 PM
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Kerry had 45 million left in his campaign? Was that for the lawyers if they were needed, or did he just decide he didn't need to spend anymore and felt it was wrapped up? Odd.
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Originally posted by kvrdave
Kerry had 45 million left in his campaign? Was that for the lawyers if they were needed, or did he just decide he didn't need to spend anymore and felt it was wrapped up? Odd.
I think that is what was left before he got the Party nomination and took the Federal funding.
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Originally posted by kvrdave
Kerry had 45 million left in his campaign? Was that for the lawyers if they were needed, or did he just decide he didn't need to spend anymore and felt it was wrapped up? Odd.
He probably made Shrum give back a part of his media buy "commissions" (kickbacks).
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Originally posted by Pharoh
Senator Dole.
And he resigned his seat... yeah. I got nothin'.
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Old 11-18-04, 07:38 AM
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btw: The Senate voted 52-44 to raise the debt limit to 8.2 trillion dollars - a 800 billion dollar increase.

Note of some interest: It took the nation from Washington to Reagan to accumulate a 800 billion dollar debt.

If things proceed as they have under George W. Bush, it is estimated the national debt in 10 years will be in excess of 13 trillion dollars.
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Speaking of the Senate - if you can get a transcript of the speech given by Ernest Fritz Hollings on 11/16/04, do so.

It's his 'farewell speech' in the Senate.

It's funny. It's insightful. It's a gem.
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Again speaking of the Senate - Zell Miller will shortly make his 'farewell speech' to the Senate.

I wonder if it will be a repeat of his key note address before the RNC?

He might just challenge one of his senate colleagues to a duel.
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Originally posted by classicman2
btw: The Senate voted 52-44 to raise the debt limit to 8.2 trillion dollars - a 800 billion dollar increase.

Note of some interest: It took the nation from Washington to Reagan to accumulate a 800 billion dollar debt.

If things proceed as they have under George W. Bush, it is estimated the national debt in 10 years will be in excess of 13 trillion dollars.
What was it under Bush#1 or Clinton?
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When Clinton left office - roughly 5 1/4 trillion

When Bush 1 left office - roughly 4 trillion
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Originally posted by classicman2
btw: The Senate voted 52-44 to raise the debt limit to 8.2 trillion dollars - a 800 billion dollar increase.

Note of some interest: It took the nation from Washington to Reagan to accumulate a 800 billion dollar debt.

If things proceed as they have under George W. Bush, it is estimated the national debt in 10 years will be in excess of 13 trillion dollars.
and then bush's secret plan will succeed

do we pay interest or entitlements?

besides, if the GDP grows fast enough the new debt will not eat up anymore of the budget than it does now.
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Old 11-18-04, 11:28 AM
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I just love the reasoning of the Repubs in the House.

They're currently debating on the rule that will bring the raising of the debt limit to the floor.

Mr. Reynolds (Rules Committee) is blaming the Democrats for trying to stall the measure. This guy has some nerve. The Repubs put off the raising of the debt limit until after the election. Now they're blaming Democrats for wanting to debate the issue.
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Originally posted by classicman2
Speaking of the Senate - if you can get a transcript of the speech given by Ernest Fritz Hollings on 11/16/04, do so.

It's his 'farewell speech' in the Senate.

It's funny. It's insightful. It's a gem.
http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings...004B17642.html

I don't leave with the idea that the Senate is not what it used to be in the sense of personnel. We have a way better group of Senators. We had five drunks or six drunks when I came here. There is nobody drunk in the United States Senate. We don't have time to be drunk and, more than that, we have the women. We had one woman early in my career. She was outstanding, but she was outstandingly quiet. That was Margaret Chase Smith from Maine, a wonderful lady. Now we have 14, and you can't shut them up. They keep on talking and talking and talking. If you get into a debate with Barbara Mikulski or Barbara Boxer, they will take your head off, I can tell you that.

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Originally posted by CRM114
I'm confused. What senator who ever ran for President actually stayed in Washington and didn't campaign?
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Who was the last Senator to be a party nominee? McGovern? Am I mistaken? And if it indeed was McGovern, I'm not about to claim that political campaigns are run in the same manner as in 1972.
I'm confused. Are you arguing against yourself now?
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I like most of what Hollings has to say, but I like this part of his speech in particular:

They are talking now about immigration. Mexico is not a foreign country. They are our neighbor. All you have to do is put down the billions that we spend: Give them a Marshall Plan, increase their standard of living just like Canada. Then you don't have immigration. I can tell you right now, the money spent on immigration, drugs, and border patrol, and financing that government out of the banks in New York and then refinancing it on us taxpayers, we could have a Marshall Plan and solve the problem.
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