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Tom Ridge resigns as Sec'y of Homeland Security

Old 11-16-04, 09:28 AM
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Tom Ridge resigns as Sec'y of Homeland Security

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Old 11-16-04, 10:02 AM
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maybe the news needs to report who hasn't resigned yet?
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Old 11-16-04, 10:11 AM
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Good. I never liked him. And this coming from a conservative, pro-war hardliner.

I think he was a fucking bumpkin who lucked into his position.
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Old 11-16-04, 10:21 AM
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Good. I never liked him. And this coming from a conservative, pro-war hardliner.

I think he was a fucking bumpkin who lucked into his position.
Perhaps you would enlighten the forum as to just why you feel this way about him?

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maybe the news needs to report who hasn't resigned yet?
It would be interesting to see a comparison between now and previous admins. One point made on the News Hour last night though was that this has been an abnormally consistant (I believe those were their words) administration. I guess there is usually more turn over throughout the term then there has been in this one.
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Perhaps you would enlighten the forum as to just why you feel this way about him?

No.



Not right now anyway, got work.
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Old 11-16-04, 11:38 AM
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I second Mutley Hyde's comment. The man was a quick-to-release icon for terrorism. He only got the position because a plane went down in his state. Otherwise, he would have never got the job. Personally, I thought he was only going to be temporary---like 6-months to a year after 9/11, but then...I saw his face two years later.

Anyway, good news. I'm sure he's a good man, but he sucks as Homeland Security.
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Whoohoo! Now if only my dreams would come true and Rummy steps down as well....
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Old 11-16-04, 11:43 AM
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Anyway, good news. I'm sure he's a good man, but he sucks as Homeland Security.
Oh, tell us, old wise one, just how you would have handled the job differently?

Perhaps you can the other sage (homeland security expert), Mutley Hyde, to join you in your extensive explanation of his shortcomings & failures to the forum.
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Originally posted by nemein
It would be interesting to see a comparison between now and previous admins. One point made on the News Hour last night though was that this has been an abnormally consistant (I believe those were their words) administration. I guess there is usually more turn over throughout the term then there has been in this one.
To pick Clinton, for example,*during his first term, he replaced one Secretary of Treasury (replacing Bentsen with Rubin), one Secretary of Defense (replacing Aspin with Perry), one Secretary of Commerce (replacing Brown with Kantor)**, and one Secretary of Agriculture (replacing Espy with Glickman) (total changes: 4 compared to Bush's 2). When he started his second term, he changed Energy, Transportation, HUD, Labor, Commerce, Defense, and State (total changes: 7 compared to 7 announced so far for Bush). During his second term, he changed Treasury, Commerce, Energy, and Veteran's Affairs (total changes: 4)

* Why's it always got to be about Clinton?
** This one was due to a death, so it arguably shouldn't count, since Clinton would have presumably kept Brown if he could have.***
*** Keep your looney conspiracy theories to yourself, please.
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Old 11-16-04, 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by classicman2
Oh, tell us, old wise one, just how you would have handled the job differently?

Perhaps you can the other sage (homeland security expert), Mutley Hyde, to join you in your extensive explanation of his shortcomings & failures to the forum.
Um, why don't you tell us why you think he's so great?

What? The threat level color code? Uhhh... okayyyy. So what else?

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Old 11-16-04, 12:27 PM
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Oh, tell us, old wise one, just how you would have handled the job differently?
I'm sorry, but that's Kerry's job.

If anything, they should do away with that position altogether. It's a redundant position anyway. But I would like to hear your explaination of Ridge as a great Homeland Security rep.
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Um, why don't you tell us why you think he's so great?

What? The threat level color code? Uhhh... okayyyy. So what else?
so your estimation of how someone does their job is dependent on the press coverage of it?

I would guess he did a lot of work integrating a bunch of agencies that were rolled into homeland security last year. If integrating a bunch of agencies and tens of thousands of employees is not a good job, i don't know what is.
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Now that he has resigned - they should get rid of the position.
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Old 11-16-04, 01:47 PM
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Does anyone have any confirmation that he has resigned? CNN isn't listing the headline at all (not that I ever saw it), and I can't find any other reports on other news sites either.
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Originally posted by Mutley Hyde
Um, why don't you tell us why you think he's so great?

What? The threat level color code? Uhhh... okayyyy. So what else?
I didn't say he was so great.

BTW: How many terrorist attacks have occurred on the homeland since he assumed his position?

I will agree that the position is most likely not essential - sort of like what the 9/11 commission recommended, and what is going to occur.
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Originally posted by al_bundy
so your estimation of how someone does their job is dependent on the press coverage of it?

I would guess he did a lot of work...
I wouldn't guess at all.

I would say they haven't done jack shit for controlling the borders.

I would say they haven't done jack shit for inspecting inbound cargo at our ports.

I would say that we didn't need a new position that only created yet more fucking bureaucracy, but rather that we needed to fix the conditions within and between the various agencies that were the real issue. Creating the new agency was a feelgood measure that, in my opinion, only gave the admin an excuse to not address the real issue headon while making it look like they were 'doing something'.

It boils down to meaningless 'busy work'.
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BTW: How many terrorist attacks have occurred on the homeland since he assumed his position?
I would ask how many happened prior to 9/11? Prior to his position.
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Isn't a former congressman who just happened to be a House Manager in the impeachment of Clinton in charge of border security?
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Originally posted by Mutley Hyde
I would ask how many happened prior to 9/11? Prior to his position.
Right off hand - I can think of 2.
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So do two attacks, and there are more in fact, merit a new uber-agency? Why not fix the inherrent problems rather than create more bureaucracy?
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He created the governmental department where I work, so I have nothing bad to say about him...
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Old 11-16-04, 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Mordred
Does anyone have any confirmation that he has resigned? CNN isn't listing the headline at all (not that I ever saw it), and I can't find any other reports on other news sites either.
The local news (he is a Pittsburgh boy) talked a bit about that he may step down. They also noted that Ridge is very loyal to Bush, so there is a chance he might be convince to stay on.

Bottom line, as of around 6 pm, he had not stepped down.

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Old 11-16-04, 07:33 PM
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SunMonkey,

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/16/ridge.status/
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We need a corrected title. It is suspected he will leave, but he still had not confirmed or deny it.
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