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Old 11-12-04, 02:45 AM
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Nation's Poor Win Election for Nation's Rich...

WASHINGTON, DC—The economically disadvantaged segment of the U.S. population provided the decisive factor in another presidential election last Tuesday, handing control of the government to the rich and powerful once again.

"The Republican party—the party of industrial mega-capitalists, corporate financiers, power brokers, and the moneyed elite—would like to thank the undereducated rural poor, the struggling blue-collar workers in Middle America, and the God-fearing underpriviledged minorities who voted George W. Bush back into office," Karl Rove, senior advisor to Bush, told reporters at a press conference Monday. "You have selflessly sacrificed your well-being and voted against your own economic interest. For this, we humbly thank you."

Added Rove: "You have acted beyond the call of duty—or, for that matter, good sense." []

According to Rove, the Republicans found strong support in non-urban areas populated by the people who would have benefited most from the lower-income tax cuts and social-service programs championed by Kerry. Regardless of their own interests, these citizens turned out in record numbers to elect conservatives into office at all levels of the government.

"My family's been suffering ever since I lost my job at the screen-door factory, and I haven't seen a doctor for well on four years now," said father of four Buddy Kaldrin of Eerie, CO. "Shit, I don't even remember what a dentist's chair looks like... Basically, I'd give up if it weren't for God's grace. So it's good to know we have a president who cares about religion, too."

Kaldrin added: "That's why I always vote straight-ticket Republican, just like my daddy did, before he lost the farm and shot himself in the head, and just like his daddy did, before he died of black-lung disease in the company coal mines."

Kaldrin was one of many who listed moral issues among their primary reasons for voting Republican.

"Our society is falling apart—our treasured values are under attack by terrorists," said Ellen Blaine of Givens, OH, a tiny rural farming community as likely to be attacked by terrorists as it is to be hit by a meteor. []"We need someone with old-time morals in the White House. I may not have much of anything in this world, but at least I have my family."

"John Kerry is a flip-flopper," she continued. "I saw it on TV. Who knows what terrible things might've happened to my sons overseas if he'd been put in charge?"

Kerry supporters also turned out in large numbers this year, but they were outnumbered by those citizens who voted for Bush.

"The alliance between the tiny fraction at the top of the pyramid and the teeming masses of mouth-breathers at its enormous base has never been stronger," a triumphant Bush said. "We have an understanding, them and us. They help us stay rich, and in return, we help them stay poor. See? No matter what naysayers may think, the system works."

Added Bush: "God bless America's backwards hicks, lunchpail-toting blockheads, doddering elderly, and bumpity-car-driving Spanish-speakers."

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Funny stuff. Because it's not totally off. Not totally off at all.

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Re: Nation's Poor Win Election for Nation's Rich...

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handing control of the government to the rich and powerful once again.
these stupid attacks on the Bush administration are hilarious, because we all know John Kerry and John Edwards aren't rich and powerful. hell, during the election I thought they were poor migrant farmers who just happened to decide to run for president

besides that, next time you post a news article you might want to actually post one thats REAL!!!
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Re: Re: Nation's Poor Win Election for Nation's Rich...

Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
these stupid attacks on the Bush administration are hilarious, because we all know John Kerry and John Edwards aren't rich and powerful. hell, during the election I thought they were poor migrant farmers who just happened to decide to run for president

besides that, next time you post a news article you might want to actually post one thats REAL!!!
Added Bush: "God bless America's backwards hicks, lunchpail-toting blockheads, doddering elderly, and bumpity-car-driving Spanish-speakers."
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The best part was the front page story:

"Kerry captures Bin Laden one week too late"
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Maybe the poor hope to be rich and powerful some day themselves, and they realize having the nation run by people whose great achievement in life is to have become poor and powerless might not be the best idea.
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The poor voted with their hearts and their wallets... they said "HELL NO, we don't want 7 bucks an hour! We want 5!"
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Dems Can Trace Roots of Loss

By Jane Roh

WASHINGTON — Sen. John Kerry's defeat to President Bush seemed to catch plenty of impassioned Democrats off guard, leading the party faithful to come up with an array of causal explanations, many of which can be traced to 2000 but have been largely ignored since then.

Following defeat four years ago, many political observers expected the Democratic Party to re-evaluate its priorities and message following the stunningly close finish between then-Texas Gov. Bush and Al Gore, a scandal-free vice president who served in peacetime during a period of dizzying economic growth.

But by summer 2004, that reflection had taken a back seat as Democrats were emboldened by nationwide voter registration drives, record-breaking fund-raising successes and a candidate who is a decorated veteran of the Vietnam War. Party loyalists seemed confident that the bloody postwar period in Iraq and weaker-than-expected job growth would rouse a desire for change, even among voters who weren't in love with the Massachusetts senator's personality.

It's Not The Economy, Stupid

Something didn't click despite early election polls that favored Kerry, and observers from the outskirts of the party are now crediting or blaming Republican coordination and discipline as much as Democratic misguidance and self-assuredness.

In last summer's best-selling "What’s the Matter With Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America," author Thomas Frank all but predicted the election's outcome.

"The Republicans are masters of institution- and movement-building, while Democrats have let theirs whither on the vine," Frank told FOXNews.com.

In his book, Frank uses the example of the decades-long shift in voter attitudes in his native Midwestern farming state to help explain how the Democratic Party has been stripped of its New Deal credibility to the GOP’s benefit.

Kansans, among the most economically disadvantaged in the nation, no longer believe Democrats are the party of average working Americans, Frank explains.

Republicans have taken that mantle despite not serving the interests of working-class Americans, Frank says, claiming that the president and his cohorts, like anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, are more interested in helping their friends in the wealthy class first.

Still, Bush wasn’t re-elected solely because of GOP bait-and-switch, Frank says, but because the Democratic Party, in its rush to compete in dollar amounts, deprived itself of a potent platform from which to attack the Republican Party.

"NAFTA was the killer. There were many ways in which [the Democratic Party] made this mistake," Frank told FOXNews.com. "[Former President Clinton] signed off on the Reagan economic agenda. From antitrust to deregulation, there is a blurred distinction between the Republican Party and Democratic Party on economic issues."

By befriending certain segments of corporate America — "New Economy billionaires," as Frank puts it — Clinton and other centrists within the party were trying to signal they were not the enemy of business. But in doing so, they may have spent the credibility they would later need to hammer Republicans on Enron and other Wall Street scandals that unfolded at the start of the Bush administration.

Clinton’s apparent alliance with big business and failure to close the wealth gap alienated many liberal Democrats, who ran toward Ralph Nader in 2000. The consumer advocate's role in the election is said by many to have cost Gore a win.

Democratic pollster Pat Caddell agrees that the party needs to wean itself off large corporate donors.

"Eight trillion dollars of the people's money disappeared in the 401(k) scandal ... the Democrats never spoke about it in the campaign," Caddell told FOX News. "They’re so indebted to those money sources that they can’t go after corporate corruption."

Caddell pointed out that a $140 billion corporate tax cut bill, derided by Republican Sen. John McCain as "the worst example of the influence of special interests that I have ever seen," easily slipped through Congress before winding up on Bush’s desk.

While acknowledging it will be extremely difficult to compete without corporate cash, Frank insists the party has no other choice.

"Money isn't the only thing. You have to figure out what your advantage is and leverage that," Frank said. "[The Democrats’] advantage used to be they were the party of the common people, not money. They need to figure out how to do this without the money."

You Gotta Have Faith

Many Democrats also spent the days after the election wondering if a culture war of some kind had been percolating right under their noses and without their knowledge.

Exit polls show that moral values were a prime reason people went to the polls, and an overwhelming majority of those voters preferred Bush to Kerry. But morality was only a component of the divisions between red state Republicans and blue state Democrats. Another component is the different perceptions of paternalism.

"Kerry comes across as a son of privilege, a product of the Eastern elite that people out there can't stand," Bostonian Bill Zarnoch, who attended college in Indiana, told FOXNews.com. "Even though Democrats would've helped [Midwesterners] more, they still voted for Bush because they think he’s a good old boy."

The fact that Bush, a political scion, is perceived as more of a Joe Everyman than Kerry, who had a comfortable upbringing but volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, is a sore point with Democrats. But it may be understandable that voters who live in the Midwest and South feel under attack by those who live in major urban centers, where city folk dress like country folk as a Halloween gag or fashion statement.

"Midwesterners don't really relate to Democrats," Carol Kolb, editor-in-chief of satirical newspaper The Onion and a Wisconsin native, told FOXNews.com. "Especially Kerry, he was much more intellectual than Bush, and that's not what someone in Middle America relates to.

"The problem with the Democratic Party is they really do have the wishes of the masses in mind, but I think there is a little bit of condescension," said Kolb, who voted for Kerry. "If you're in a position to almost become president of the United States, you're not in a position to relate to the common man completely."

Other Democrats were riled by the party's ineffectiveness at fighting attacks like an anti-Howard Dean ad that ran during the primaries, which referred to the former Vermont governor as a "latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading … left-wing freak show."

"That’s how [the GOP] creates divisions," said Jeff Price, president of Brooklyn-based spinArt Records. "You call them names. The right has done a very effective job at framing the left — they suck at responding," Price, 37, told FOXNews.com

The values issue also can't be overlooked. Though ABC News’ director of polling Gary Langer has pointed out that poor wording may have inflated exit poll results on "moral values," many commentators have wondered aloud if Christian conservatives have declared a holy war on Democrats.

"It's clear that on conservative moral values, people voted for those values over their own economic interests," United Steelworkers of America President Leo Gerard told the Associated Press last week. "I don’t understand it, and I think we need to go back and look at it."

While Democrats who chafe under the notion of mixing politics and religion wring their hands over how to win back those Americans, post-election humor pointed at the Christian right has popped up all over the Web.

Leaders on both sides agree that such mockery has played a part in red staters' alienation from the Democratic Party, and urge against sneering at religious and conservative Americans.

"You’re making fun of Americans who have some religious bent or a faith. Keep doing that and your people will never win an election," former Sen. Alan Simpson, R-Wyo., who supports abortion rights and has a warm relationship with the gay community, told comedian Bill Maher on his HBO show last Friday.

"Kansas" author Frank, who voted for Kerry, said that painting Bush supporters as "Jesus lovers" and hicks is not only unfair but also likely to backfire.

Additionally, Beliefnet.com’s Steven Waldman and John Green have argued that when asked questions measuring faith outside of church attendance, Democrats are shown to be comparably religious to Republicans.

But some secular Democrats strongly believe they can be the party of values without using overtly religious language.

"I'm agnostic but I still believe in morality, in right and wrong," Zarnoch said. "[Kerry] never brought up the civilian casualties in Iraq, which could have appealed to evangelicals."

Kevin Owens, a schoolteacher in Austin, Texas, argued that Democrats embody Christian values more than Republicans.

"Ask [Republicans] what Jesus said about the difficulty of a rich man getting into heaven. What does this say about tax cuts, about cutting funding for schools, health insurance and apparent favoritism for the wealthiest contingent of our country?" asked Owens, 31. "The Sermon on the Mount said ‘blessed are the peacemakers.' Can this administration really call itself peacemakers?"

While little of the introspection to come is likely to calm many nerves, David P. Redlawsk, a political science professor at the University of Iowa, recommends that Democrats "chill out a little bit."

"American politics goes through trends, so we're in a different cycle now," Redlawsk told FOXNews.com. "After Clinton won in 1992 there was serious demoralization [among Republicans. ... Those passions burn really, really deeply. It doesn't matter which election it is."
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Maybe the poor hope to be rich and powerful some day themselves, and they realize having the nation run by people whose great achievement in life is to have become poor and powerless might not be the best idea.
Believing that every American can become rich and powerful someday is one of the great harmful delusions in this country.
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Believing that every American can become rich and powerful someday is one of the great harmful delusions in this country.
Yeah, hope is a terrible thing. "Be happy you're poor because you'll never be rich! Now mow my lawn!"

I agree that falling short of your dreams may have a detrimental effect, but I thank God I don't live in a Communist country where there's little to no hope of bettering myself.
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Yeah, hope is a terrible thing. "Be happy you're poor because you'll never be rich! Now mow my lawn!"

I agree that falling short of your dreams may have a detrimental effect, but I thank God I don't live in a Communist country where there's little to no hope of bettering myself.
I agree that having hopes is a good thing, but most Americans are not going to be "rich", and having them hope that they will be just makes them vote against their own economic interests. Notice how wonderfully turning the estate tax into the "death tax" and telling people it would affect small businesses and farms worked for its repeal. I believe that anyone that wants to can become middle class, but there's a world of difference between the economic interests of the middle class and the rich.
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NYC for being a liberal stronghold has a lot of policies both public and private the supports segregation and keeping people down
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If any country allows people to transcend station and class, it is the US. Many immigrants come here with nothing and through hard work become rich. Instead of carping that it is a delusion or that a segment of people are systematically being put down, people should look at what those do that become rich and copy it.
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An interesting take on Kansas. I've never seen this version of the disadvantage state all the years I lived there. Doesn't the state have the highest number of Millionaires per capita vs any other state? Though I think most live in Johnson County.
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Is this thread serious or a joke? The first article was a joke from the onion, and many here recognized that, but some of you don't seem to get that.
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Is this thread serious or a joke? The first article was a joke from the onion, and many here recognized that, but some of you don't seem to get that.

.......there are many here who don't seem to get humor in general.
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.......there are many here who don't seem to get humor in general.
yes yes... I can name quite a few extremist liberals here.
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yes yes... I can name quite a few extremist liberals here.
extremists, my ass!
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