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Old 11-08-04, 10:16 AM
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Has anyone seen the Michael Moore website lately?


GOD HELP AMERICA;
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN...


November 7th, 2004 12:58 pm
GOD HELP AMERICA; THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN...


The Mirror

THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air. And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and very small nation.

This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards the rest of humanity.

And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put before them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes an awesome fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity.

A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase America's grip on the world's economies and natural resources.

And in foolishly backing him, Americans have given the go-ahead for more unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability and most probably another 9/11.

Why else do you think bin Laden was so happy to scare them to the polls, then made no attempt to scupper the outcome?

There's only one headline in town today, folks: "It Was Osama Wot Won It."

And soon he'll expect pay-back. Well, he can't allow Bush to have his folks whoopin' and a-hollerin' without his own getting a share of the fun, can he?

Heck, guys, I hope you're feeling proud today.

To the tens of millions who voted for John Kerry, my commiserations.

To the overwhelming majority of you who didn't, I simply ask: Have you learnt nothing? Do you despise your own image that much?

Do you care so little about the world beyond your shores? How could you do this to yourselves?

How appalling must one man's record at home and abroad be for you to reject him?

Kerry wasn't the best presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded (and he did deserve a kicking for that "reporting for doo-dee" moment), but at least he understood the complexity of the world outside America, and domestic disgraces like the 45 million of his fellow citizens without health cover.

He would have done something to make that country fairer and re-connected it with the wider world.

Instead America chose a man without morals or vision. An economic incompetent who inherited a $2billion surplus from Clinton, gave it in tax cuts to the rich and turned the US into the world's largest debtor nation.

A man who sneers at the rights of other nations. Who has withdrawn from international treaties on the environment and chemical weapons.

A man who flattens sovereign states then hands the rebuilding contracts to his own billionaire party backers.

A man who promotes trade protectionism and backs an Israeli government which continually flouts UN resolutions.

America has chosen a menacingly immature buffoon who likened the pursuit of the 9/11 terrorists to a Wild West, Wanted Dead or Alive man-hunt and, during the Afghanistan war, kept a baseball scorecard in his drawer, notching up hits when news came through of enemy deaths.

A RADICAL Christian fanatic who decided the world was made up of the forces of good and evil, who invented a war on terror, and thus as author of it, believed he had the right to set the rules of engagement.

Which translates to telling his troops to do what the hell they want to the bad guys. As he has at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and countless towns across Iraq.

You have to feel sorry for the millions of Yanks in the big cities like New York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco who voted to kick him out.

These are the sophisticated side of the electorate who recognise a gibbon when they see one.

As for the ones who put him in, across the Bible Belt and the South, us outsiders can only feel pity.

Were I a Kerry voter, though, I'd feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets.

The self-righteous, gun-totin', military lovin', sister marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport ownin' red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest dick in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land "free and strong".

You probably won't be surprised to learn of would-be Oklahoma Republican Senator Tom Coburn who, on Tuesday, promised to ban abortion and execute any doctors who carried them out.

He also told voters that lesbianism is so rampant in the state's schools that girls were being sent to toilets on their own. Not that any principal could be found to back him up.

These are the people who hijack the word patriot and liken compassion to child-molesting. And they are unknowingly bin Laden's chief recruiting officers.

Al-Qaeda's existence is fuelled by the outpourings of America's Christian right. Bush is its commander-in-chief. And he and bin Laden need each other to survive.

Both need to play Lex Luther to each others' Superman with their own fanatical people. Maybe that's why the mightiest military machine ever assembled has failed to catch the world's most wanted man.

Or is the reason simply that America is incompetent? That behind the bluff they are frightened and clueless, which is why they've stayed with the devil they know.

VISITORS from another planet watching this election would surely not credit the amateurism.

The queues for hours to register a tick; the 17,000 lawyers needed to ensure there was no cheating; the $1.2bn wasted by parties trying to discredit the enemy; the allegations of fraud, intimidation and dirty tricks; the exit polls which were so wildly inaccurate; an Electoral College voting system that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and efficiency; and the delays and the legal wrangles in announcing the victor.

Yet America would have us believe theirs is the finest democracy in the world. Well, that fine democracy has got the man it deserved. George W Bush.

But is America safer today without Kerry in charge? A man who overnight would have given back to the UN some credibility and authority. Who would have worked out the best way to undo the Iraq mess without fear of losing face.

Instead, the questions facing America today are - how many more thousands of their sons will die as Iraq descends into a new Vietnam? And how many more Vietnams are on the horizon now they have given Bush the mandate to go after Iran, Syria, North Korea or Cuba...?

Today is a sad day for the world, but it's even sadder for the millions of intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

Yanks had the chance to show the world a better way this week, instead they made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory.

And in doing so it brought Armageddon that little bit closer and re-christened their beloved nation The Home Of The Knave and the Land Of The Freak.

God Help America.

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This is from the same newspaper,the daily mirror, that called the Bush voters dumb....... he used the UK newspaper as a reference....


Man all i have to say is that the majority of the people here that i have spoken too were glad that Bush won and not to mention, didnt trust Kerry and thought he was undecisive with his decisions....

I cant understand moore and why he cant just let this shit go and move on

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Old 11-08-04, 10:26 AM
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And have you guys visited this website

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/



Some of us hopefully most of us are trying to understand and appreciate the effect our recent election will have on you, the citizens of the rest of the world. As our so-called leaders redouble their efforts to screw you over, please remember that some of us hopefully most of us are truly, truly sorry. And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't.
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Old 11-08-04, 10:33 AM
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Old 11-08-04, 10:39 AM
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So long as MM keeps publishing his public opinion about the "United States of Canada" and "Jesusland", the Dems will have little to no chance of ever becoming a viable party again. The Democratic party has two choices: to disavow their association with this man or continue to grant him the most honored seats at Democratic events (sitting next to Jimmy Carter at this year's DNC). If they choose the latter, the future looks bright for the Repub's and "Jesusland" will most likely expand.
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Old 11-08-04, 10:53 AM
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You know, regardless of how my own viewpoints differ from his, I've always tried to respect Moore's drive to want to make this country a better place. I respect that and I respect his right to a different opinion and the right to express it . . . but this is just drivel. Even worse, it's irresponsible drivel. There are too many people that look up to him for him to be this cavalier with his words and spins. I know that he likes to make an impact with his words, but this kind of bravado does nothing good . . . it merely encourages stereotypes and the citizens to stay divded from each other which is many times more dangerous that having political parties divided.
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Old 11-08-04, 11:01 AM
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Poor Michael Moore. Try as he might, none of the sheep will listen.
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Originally posted by talemyn
There are too many people that look up to him for him to be this cavalier with his words and spins.
Unfortunately "these people" do not constitute a majority. Essentially, MM is preaching to the choir and in doing so continues to strengthen the opposing side. If this is the path that the Democratic Party wants to take then they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Originally posted by neiname
Unfortunately "these people" do not constitute a majority. Essentially, MM is preaching to the choir and in doing so continues to strengthen the opposing side. If this is the path that the Democratic Party wants to take then they have no one to blame but themselves.
And that's too bad . . . the Democratic Party does have some good ideas (I'm particularly a fan of their environment standpoint), but if they continue to go down this road, I'm afraid that you're right . . . they're going to end up neutering themselves politically.

Does it occur to none of them that a just sub-50% of the country is still an awful lot of people to work with towards change? Quit moping and get back to work!!!
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Old 11-08-04, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by talemyn
Quit moping and get back to work!!!
Denial (the exit polls can't be THAT wrong!)
Barganing (We *could* get 85% of Provisional ballots...)
Anger (WTF is the religions right in this country doing!!)
Despair (*Current Level*)
Acceptance
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Originally posted by General Zod
Denial (the exit polls can't be THAT wrong!)
Barganing (We *could* get 85% of Provisional ballots...)
Anger (WTF is the religions right in this country doing!!)
Despair (*Current Level*)
Acceptance
I can't tell you how much I hope you are right . . .
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Zod, you forgot refusal (I'm moving! or I'm killing myself!)
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Actually, few ever really get to acceptance. They might get close, but many just never make it.
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Ha funny. It further shows the "HATRED" people like Moore is pushing. If Kerry had won the conservative reaction wouldn't be as venomous as some of the shit i've heard people who HATE Bush spew.
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Ha funny. It further shows the "HATRED" people like Moore is pushing. If Kerry had won the conservative reaction wouldn't be as venomous as some of the shit i've heard people who HATE Bush spew.
Oh, I don't know...I heard some pretty harsh things about Bill Clinton during his second term. I think the "Hate" from both sides is just about even. For every Michael Moore, there's an Ann Coulter right around the corner.
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Was it hate for Bill? Or hate for the people who voted for Bill?
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Oh, I don't know...I heard some pretty harsh things about Bill Clinton during his second term. I think the "Hate" from both sides is just about even. For every Michael Moore, there's an Ann Coulter right around the corner.

Perhaps you're right. I do remember lot's of anger towards Clinton but not this kind of razor edged hatred. No one killed themselves over Clinton being re-elected.

Also, Moore has more faithful followers and a bigger pulpit(Hollywood) to spew his hate. He's more well know than Coulter and to my knowledge...granted I could be wrong and if I am it just shows that we don't follow Coulter like others follow Moore....Coulter hasnt' been invited to Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, or Letterman. She just does the Conservative talkshow circuit and for the most part people who don't agree with those shows don't watch. I'll bet most conservatives haven't even heard of Coulter whereas many have heard of Moore.
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Yet another (Ha Ha Look what this silly liberal said) thread.

It's amazing to me that nearly a week after the election, that many of the Bush supporters on this forum seem to have nothing better to do than scavenger hunt through the internet looking for examples of "cry-baby liberals", so they can start a whole new thread, in which they can gloat and feel smug, while proving themselves to be just as petty and snobbish as those they choose to ridicule.

I cant understand moore and why he cant just let this shit go and move on
That is also good advice for you to perhaps consider taking yourself.
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Yet another (Ha Ha Look what this silly liberal said) thread.

It's amazing to me that nearly a week after the election, that many of the Bush supporters on this forum seem to have nothing better to do than scavenger hunt through the internet looking for examples of "cry-baby liberals", so they can start a whole new thread, in which they can gloat and feel smug, while proving themselves to be just as petty and snobbish as those they choose to ridicule.



That is also good advice for you to perhaps consider taking yourself.
I couldn't agree more. The left has been pretty silent but the warpath seems to rage on on the right. I think this is an excellent example of the difference between the two sides, how they see things, and how they act upon what they think is right/wrong.
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Yeah.. 4 years of "Bush stole the election" and "Bush looks like Monkey" is just fine and dandy, but 1 week of optimism after Bush wins re-election is crossing over the line!
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Yeah.. 4 years of "Bush stole the election" and "Bush looks like Monkey" is just fine and dandy, but 1 week of optimism after Bush wins re-election is crossing over the line!

what optimism?
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Yeah.. 4 years of "Bush stole the election" and "Bush looks like Monkey" is just fine and dandy, but 1 week of optimism after Bush wins re-election is crossing over the line!
optimism??
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what optimism?
Originally posted by dick_grayson
I think this is an excellent example of the difference between the two sides, how they see things,
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Originally posted by Bugg
Bush supporters on this forum seem to have nothing better to do than scavenger hunt through the internet looking for examples of "cry-baby liberals"
I know of 2 examples.

1) Michael Moore. Calling a thread about his site a "scavenger hunt" is like saying the Big Mac was on the secret menu.

2) SorryEverybody.com. Do you think this was found using a google search for "whining liberals?"

Don't worry... it will all pass. What sucks is that MM has an international audience who will eat these things up. That's more significant than the whiners in CA.
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I couldn't agree more. The left has been pretty silent
who do you think found sorryeverybody.com?
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who do you think found sorryeverybody.com?

a moderator?
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