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Old 11-06-04, 04:19 AM
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WMD: Weapons of Mass Democrats

http://www.freep.com/voices/columnis...e_20041105.htm

BY LEONARD PITTS JR.

Maybe this is where America ends.

A reader raised that notion in an e-mail to me even before this week's election. He advanced a radical thesis.

We are, he pointed out, a nation founded not on common ancestry but rather, shared ideals: liberty and justice for all. Maybe, he said, that sort of bond ultimately cannot hold. It would be no surprise to him, he wrote, to see the United States split into two or more separate countries in his lifetime. He is 32. I intend no endorsement of his prediction when I say that it struck me hard -- mainly because I could not say with certainty that it will not happen.

An unresolved clash

If and when it does, some observers will be primed to blame so-called hyphenated Americanism. But it seems apparent after this week that the fissure that divides us most dramatically is less about race or ethnicity than something larger: culture, an unresolved clash of worldviews, mores and norms. It's the morality, stupid.

Indeed, CNN reports that more exit poll respondents called that the most important issue of the election than cited Iraq, the economy or terrorism. Morality is, of course, a code word for antipathy toward gay rights and abortion. Those who shared that antipathy voted overwhelmingly for President Bush.

To say I am merely depressed that he was re-elected is to say the Titanic sustained a little paint damage. I speak not from any particular affinity for John Kerry but, rather, from a conviction that Bush's peculiar combination of faith-based zealotry and utter incompetence constitute a clear and present danger to national security and international stability.

After his re-election, someone sent me a note. Maybe now you'll understand, he crowed, that you don't represent America. This, based on a victory margin of 3 percent.

Honeyed words from Bush

The president has issued honeyed words about reaching across ideological lines in the name of national unity. But given that he followed his last election -- an even narrower victory -- by turning to the right on two wheels, it seems a safe bet that he'll take from this victory the same moral as my correspondent. He'll think he's found himself a mandate.

That disconnect is not about liberalism vs. conservatism. Agree with them or disagree -- I've done both -- there is a certain pragmatism to traditional conservatives. You know where they're coming from: small government; personal responsibility; fiscal restraint. And their arguments are usually grounded in something recognizable as logic.

But social conservatism is another thing entirely, a mutant strain unhindered by critical thought. These are the nominal Christians whose Bibles are so long on judgment yet so short on compassion, the soldiers of the new American theocracy who want to force creation "science" on the schools and deportation on the Muslims. They are the super patriots who regard criticism as treason, the pious moralizers who believe single mothers should be barred from teaching in public schools. They are blind guides who see tens of thousands dying in Iraq and think the defining issue of the election is what gay men do in bed. They give God a bad name.

And their chosen leader is about to embark on his second term as president of the United States.

One nation splitting in two? I hope my reader is wrong.

But if he is not, Tuesday will loom large in history to those seeking to understand why. They'll call it the day the end began.

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Wow, gotta love that Doom piece. This was sent to me by a friend (maybe former friend) and Kerry supporter.

Man, I thought 2000 was a year of whining. I'm getting in stereo, this year.

I know there are mature and grown-up Democrats who accept the election and I certainly respect you, but I have to say, the majority of you are really making this even worse for your party.
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Old 11-06-04, 04:42 AM
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Maybe one nation spliting into two countries is just what everyone needs so all these thread can come to an end. lol.

Actually, it might not be a bad idea. You just demand from Jesus that he splits the land in two and each side then floats away from each other. Each side can then go live on and move on. And he wouldnt have to be bothered by the petty bickering of both sides. I mean the Superbowl is starting soon.

Though Whoopie Goldburg should get her own private piece of land in the middle of the ocean where she is haunted by Island Ghosts before the piece of land sinks.

I mean it's silly to let some political nonsense break up a friendship. If thats all it takes, you were probably really not really much of friends to begin with.

I mean all he did was send you an article, didnt seem to be directing any hostility towards you personally, and even says he doesnt know if it's true.

If you are types who send political stuff back and forth, you should each expect this. If you guys dont agree, agree to not send each other political stuff as it causes hostility. But, breaking up a supposed friendship over some silly letter? Come on now.

If everyone in the country broke off their family and friendship ties due to difference of opinion, the whole county would be in a darkened corner sitting by themselves just about.
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Old 11-06-04, 04:43 AM
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pathetic simply pathetic

I really cant believe how out of touch Democrats can be. They cant even realize the problems within themselves that lead to their many defeats on Tues. I dont know where to begin but I guess I can start with this...morality doesnt mean anti gay anti abortion!! Narrow minded thinking like this is just one problem with the Dems
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Old 11-06-04, 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
pathetic simply pathetic

I really cant believe how out of touch Democrats can be. They cant even realize the problems within themselves that lead to their many defeats on Tues. I dont know where to begin but I guess I can start with this...morality doesnt mean anti gay anti abortion!! Narrow minded thinking like this is just one problem with the Dems
I can't believe the hate and spewing that is going on after this election, and I thought 2000 was bad. In my lifetime I have never seen anything like this. There was always respect after the elections. Seems like we continue to lose our compass on what made this country great (self sacrifice for the betterment of future generations). We have become so focused on self-gratification, that talk like this happens if people don't get their way politically. It's rare when we have had out and out landslides.

As Americans spread out even more throughout this great country, both sides need to be aware of the needs of the populace both in the cities and not and the people in the opposite places need to be aware of how life is different and what is important to the other side.

As a strange example, here in NJ people pay high real estate taxes to support education. People complain about education funding in NYC, yet their property taxes are diddly squat. Each locale makes its own prioritizations of many issues. You can't have it all.
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Old 11-06-04, 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by matchpenalty
As a strange example, here in NJ people pay high real estate taxes to support education. People complain about education funding in NYC, yet their property taxes are diddly squat. Each locale makes its own prioritizations of many issues. You can't have it all.
Here in Las Vegas you can have it all. Anytime something is wrong just tax the casinos! Anyways, in all seriousness you are exactly right. In some ways I just get the feeling people on the left have this utopian view of things and won't settle for less...like if they settle for less somehow the evil bible thumping right beat them. But they have to realize you cant always get what you want, and as you said you cant have it all.
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Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
...morality doesnt mean anti gay anti abortion!!
In this election I think it did.

What exactly is meant by "morality?" Bush had similar moral values to Kerry, so it must have meant something different...
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Re: WMD: Weapons of Mass Democrats

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But social conservatism is another thing entirely, a mutant strain unhindered by critical thought. These are the nominal Christians whose Bibles are so long on judgment yet so short on compassion, the soldiers of the new American theocracy who want to force creation "science" on the schools and deportation on the Muslims. They are the super patriots who regard criticism as treason, the pious moralizers who believe single mothers should be barred from teaching in public schools. They are blind guides who see tens of thousands dying in Iraq and think the defining issue of the election is what gay men do in bed. They give God a bad name.
if Christians are saying that, they do give God a bad name. although, i haven't met anyone with those viewpoints...and I live in the heart of the Bible Belt
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pathetic simply pathetic
Remember how when malcontents on the right started up the militia movement in the first half of the '90s, prominent Democrats huffed about "The ballot box over the cartridge box?"

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and it's Democrats who face losing some of that which they treasure, look who's unaccepting of the popular will.

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In some ways I just get the feeling people on the left have this utopian view of things and won't settle for less
My impression is that they want to force their values on the rest of the country. If California believes in abortion rights, the whole country must have them. If California is opposed to the private ownership of firearms, the whole country must ban them. And so on.

How about just leaving such matters to the individual states to legislate themselves?

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My impression is that they want to force their values on the rest of the country. RD
And the other side doesn't?


If California believes in abortion rights, the whole country must have them. If California is opposed to the private ownership of firearms, the whole country must ban them. And so on.

How about just leaving such matters to the individual states to legislate themselves?

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Yeah, because an assault gun in Arizona will never be taken across the border into California. A dirt poor pregenant girl in Arkansas will be able to scrape together the money she needs to cross half the country to get an abortion in Califonia.

There are some things that should be left up to the States and some that are bigger than that. This isn't the 19th Century, it's the 21st.

Disclaimer: The above gun example was just an example. I actually oppose gun control. So much for the Liberal stereotype, eh?
But I strongly support a woman's right to choose.

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I support gun control but strongly support the right of the fetus to live...and I'm a conservative. what a whacko bunch we have here
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Indeed, CNN reports that more exit poll respondents called that the most important issue of the election than cited Iraq, the economy or terrorism. Morality is, of course, a code word for antipathy toward gay rights and abortion. Those who shared that antipathy voted overwhelmingly for President Bush.
Is the author saying that for those that considered Iraq or terrorism the most important issue voted for Kerry?

If he did, he doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about, and if CNN said it, the same applies.

Every single poll from start to finish showed Bush with a commanding lead (15-25 points) on the issue of who would best be able to combat terrorism. Bush had a considerably smaller lead (8-15 points) on the issue of who would best be able to handle the situation in Iraq.
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This is why I would not have minded a Kerry presidency. I'm just tired of the

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This is why I would not have minded a Kerry presidency. I'm just tired of the

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Ah come on, I've gotten use to it after enduring almost four years of their whining so far.
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Re: Re: WMD: Weapons of Mass Democrats

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if Christians are saying that, they do give God a bad name. although, i haven't met anyone with those viewpoints...and I live in the heart of the Bible Belt
I've met many, unfortunately.
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I recall plenty of republican whining going on during the 8 years of Clinton. Half the country disagrees with your politics... if you don't like it, move to another country. People are going to continue to complain since the person elected into office doesn't represent their ideology. It would've been the same had Kerry won the election.
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I recall plenty of republican whining going on during the 8 years of Clinton. Half the country disagrees with your politics... if you don't like it, move to another country. People are going to continue to complain since the person elected into office doesn't represent their ideology. It would've been the same had Kerry won the election.
It was old then, and it's old now. There's a difference between legitimate complaints and ceaseless childish whining. While you're not doing so, I hear so many "justify" it by saying, "well, you did it when Clinton was in office. Nyah, nyah, nyah." Great kindergarten logic there. People need to grow the Hell up and, pardon the incredible irony, move on.

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I'd agree except that Republicans never stop bringing up Clinton when it suits their argument. I haven't been whining really because 1. I expected Bush to win. Not happy about it, but I expected it. 2. Kerry sucks ass too - not as much as Bush (IMO), but he was never anything worth getting excited about. I'm frustrated with the democrats probably more than I am with the republicans. The dems need to come together and put up a candidate worth voting for - not just some douche they think will win some superficial votes from swing voters. They need someone who represents their party... not bolt-neck senator with a crappy attendance record who's campaign root was "I'm not bush". The dems need to come back to the left and reform their party. Hopefully this loss will be their wakeup call.

All this whining is part of the process - denial, anger, sadness, depression, whining, and then hopefully activism and reform and lesson learned. Time will tell. Regardless, people will always whine and complain no matter who is in office - especially when the results were so close.
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How many times does it have to be said? Kerry took Oregon and Michigan. Both states voted down gay marriage/civil unions. The margins of victory for Bush in the other nine states that voted down gay marriage, or voted for amendments to their state constitutions banning gay marriage, were smaller than the margins of victory for the amendments.

It wasn't "about morality, stupid." But hey, if the left/Democrats want to keep thinking so, more power to 'em.
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I recall plenty of republican whining going on during the 8 years of Clinton.
Oh I do too. I just remember it being much more fun doing it rather than listening to it.


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But hey, if the left/Democrats want to keep thinking so, more power to 'em.
Exactly... the more excuses they try to come up w/ and the more conspiracy theories they cookup to keep themselves from addressing the real problems (IMHO coming off too heavy handed w/ the "we're here to save you whether you want it or not" and the "if they only understood what we understood" attitudes) the longer they'll be out of power Not that they Reps are necessarily a joy these days but that's another thread
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Exactly... the more excuses they try to come up w/ and the more conspiracy theories they cookup to keep themselves from addressing the real problems (IMHO coming off too heavy handed w/ the "we're here to save you whether you want it or not" and the "if they only understood what we understood" attitudes) the longer they'll be out of power Not that they Reps are necessarily a joy these days but that's another thread
The exact same things can be said about republicans... never addressing real problems (since 'real problems' is purely subjective, both sides may never even agree on what constitutes a real problem anyway - however, republicans spend more time trashing democrats over non-issues than actually doing anything about or even discussing important issues... it's a brilliant tactic as it puts democrats into defensive mode and they spend all their time trying to squash the lies and half-truths or whatever), cooking up conspiracy theories (liberal media, *fixed* exit polls - because we all know that exit polls decide who wins the presidency, among the slew of lies about the democrats in essence managing to turn democrat and liberal into dirty words), and IMHO coming off WAAAAY too heavy handed with the "we're here to save you with jesus whether you like it or not." to the entire world... and the "if they only understood about jesus and god and family values - those ignorant sinners." attitude where everything a democrat says gets laughed at (yeah, I'm already anticipating a board republican to post a laughing face, but jokes on you - I'm not a democrat. )
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The exact same things can be said about republicans... never addressing real problems (since 'real problems' is purely subjective, both sides may never even agree on what constitutes a real problem anyway - however, republicans spend more time trashing democrats over non-issues than actually doing anything about or even discussing important issues... it's a brilliant tactic as it puts democrats into defensive mode and they spend all their time trying to squash the lies and half-truths or whatever), cooking up conspiracy theories (liberal media, *fixed* exit polls - because we all know that exit polls decide who wins the presidency, among the slew of lies about the democrats in essence managing to turn democrat and liberal into dirty words), and IMHO coming off WAAAAY too heavy handed with the "we're here to save you with jesus whether you like it or not." to the entire world... and the "if they only understood about jesus and god and family values - those ignorant sinners." attitude where everything a democrat says gets laughed at (yeah, I'm already anticipating a board republican to post a laughing face, but jokes on you - I'm not a democrat. )
Proof that Democrats and "I'm not a democrat" don't get it. Oh, and here's your from an Independent.
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I think if Bush can be re-elected again by a pretty substantial margin, pretty much ends the chance of ever having another Democrat President. Unless the Democrats can pull out some guy that looks like Tom Cruise with the charm of Cary Grant.
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I suppose Michael Moore is out then. I guess somebody better break it to him gently.
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