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should foreigners be able to vote in US elections?

Old 11-05-04, 04:39 PM
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should foreigners be able to vote in US elections?

Saw this little blurb in one of the free NYC newspaper this week. no link.

some idiot in italy thinks that anyone in the world should be able to vote in US elections since our leaders have such a big effect on world affairs
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Not no, but kiss my ass you fucking idiot no!!!!!!!!!! (not directed at the OP, of course)

Maybe that should be a poll answer
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How about they elect their own leaders to have a greater effect on world affairs?
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funniest fucking thing I've heard in a while
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"our country's leaders are irrelevant... can we choose yours?"

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Of course we should. But I'd settle for just voting on US foreign policy.
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Well then The US should get to vote in all other countries as well.


Hey why don't we all just become one??
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Of course we should. But I'd settle for just voting on US foreign policy.
Exactly - I'd say 'no' as an american except for the fact that we continually meddle in the way other countries are run. I think it would make our country alot stronger and it would perhaps make even more of our citizens vote. Although, I don't see how this can be done given how corrupt the voting system is already with lost ballots, torn up voter registrations and hanging chad-sacs.

I wouldn't be opposed to allowing a certain number of electoral votes to various allied countries. It's one step closer to owning and running those countries and we don't even have to sweat over a war or invasion.

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If you make this a poll, please make "fuck no" one of the choices. If we wanted foreigners meddling our politics, we could have stayed an English colony.
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The only problem is that Republicans would have no chance in hell of getting elected. Some might not consider that a problem.
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I'm beginning to talk like classicman, someone get me the hell out of here.
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I think it's pretty funny though how so much hypocracy is flying around... it's almost as funny as people wanting to invade other countries and then getting pissed off at the 'terrorists'.
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And proof of what I stated above. Bush/Cheney get 5% of the vote.

http://www.usworldvote.org/
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Worst idea yet.
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Old 11-05-04, 05:27 PM
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Worst idea yet.
Give it time. It's only been 3 days
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Old 11-05-04, 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by eXcentris
And proof of what I stated above. Bush/Cheney get 5% of the vote.

http://www.usworldvote.org/
And if they could vote on our defense budget, there wouldn't be any superpowers. (Except for some bad guy dictator who tells them to fuck off, builds his military, and conquers them all).
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Is this even worth discussing?

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That would've been awesome if Walt Brown had gotten elected.
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That would've been awesome if Walt Brown had gotten elected.
what's with the "crazy school librarian" VP?

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I'd slash your defense budget in half. There's no way you NEED to spend more than the next 20 countries combined for defense.
And don't use the %GDP argument, it's a ridiculous amount regardless. To quote Andy Rooney: "Does the Air Force really need 30 different kinds of airplanes?" Not to mention making stuff that doesn't even work like Patriot missiles. A lot of these programs could be cut with minimum impact on your already vastly superior military capabilities. But it's all about $$$ and keeping generals and arms manufacturers happy. And don't get me started on missile defense, another silly thing that will never work.

That said, I think we should only vote on foreign policy.

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how about fuck you and the horse you rode in town?
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Depends. Do they get to be taxed as well?

Maybe we give each country one electoral vote in exchange for 20% of their citizens' and government's income (that's a relatively low average I think, compared to our own citizens)

Poorer countries need not apply until asked.

I'm sure the proceeds could be used well, as in... waging war against countries who refuse to participate.

Oh yeah... since they have a choice in representation, that also means they have to abide by whatever rules the elected President sets and support us militarily and politically in any international causes.

Sound good?
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This is an easy one. No, of course. If countries were able to vote on our foreign policy, then it would follow that we would be able to vote on theirs. I do not see a happy end to this road.
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I'd slash your defense budget in half. There's no way you NEED to spend more than the next 20 countries combined for defense.
This comment has triggered a very negative reaction in me; much more than it, on the surface, should. I ran across this quote from a JFK speech recently, and it's gotten me thinking. I'll pause a minute while you go read it.

(http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html)
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. ... "

I think this explains a lot about the true heart of America. Our foreign policy, Iraq, hatred of gun control, even the feelings of the Democrats who believe Bush will remove their liberties.

I don't want to minimize the contributions of the Canadians, British, Australians, or our other allies, but there are a lot of young American soldiers buried in foreign countries. They didn't perish for oil, or land. They didn't die because the enemy was at the border of the US, or almost so. They died to defend the liberties and freedoms of peoples and cultures that, in some cases, were completely alien to them. I honestly believe that we are a different place than the rest of the world. No matter how bad relations with Europe or the rest of the world get, I'm sure we will be there if they need us, ready to die in land far away for a people whos language we don't speak and culture we don't know, to ensure their liberty and freedom. And we'll be willing to do it alone, without the help of anyone else, if need be.

Americans die for freedom. Would you really deny us the opportunity to die well?



As an aside, I never really understood the appeal of Kennedy before reading this speech. It's as good as the best of Lincoln and Jefferson.
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