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Old 11-04-04, 01:18 PM
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who's the scapegoat of the 2004 election?

In 1992 and 1996 all was well and we didn't have a scapegoat.

In 2000 after bush was elected the media said it was the election of the angry white male

now they are saying that it was karl rove and his strategy of putting the gay marriage thing on the ballot in a bunch of states that made average people do the unthinkable by voting for bush

so what was it?
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The MA SCt.
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It was the drug Republicans put in the water to make everyone think with their butts (something Republicans were already doing).
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The people who put Gay Marriage bans on the ballots.
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Did somebody say "Goat"?
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Wasn't gay marriage.

I don't think there was a scapegoat. Not enough people wanted to change mid-stream. I really believe it is that simple.


If I had to pick one, it would have to be Mr. Kerry. He ran one of the worst, most disorganised campaigns in recent history. It was terrible, he lost.
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The people who put Gay Marriage bans on the ballots.

Which is, de facto, the MA SCt. However, I think the issue itself was more valuable to Bush in winning Ohio than the ballot initiative. It really allowed him to cultivate his base there.
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Old 11-04-04, 01:29 PM
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Scapegoat number 2? Possibly Mother Nature in Florida.
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It was the drug Republicans put in the water to make everyone think with their butts (something Republicans were already doing).
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It was the drug Republicans put in the water to make everyone think with their butts (something Republicans were already doing).
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Re: who's the scapegoat of the 2004 election?

Originally posted by al_bundy
In 1992 and 1996 all was well and we didn't have a scapegoat.

Now that's just not so. I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
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Those are the ones I have heard.

I do think moveon.org made people tired of hearing the same crap and it lost its effectiveness.

I also think MM probably backfired, but much of that is because the Dems embraced him. They are lucky the Reps didn't take advantage of that.
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Condescending hatred of the flyover states?
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thats a part of it....and from what I'm hearing it'll be an issue next election. They still don't get it
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Originally posted by Fartface
It was the drug Republicans put in the water to make everyone think with their butts (something Republicans were already doing).
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the fact that many(most?) kerry voters were voting aginst bush instead of for kerry
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Here are two scapegoats... Terry McAuliffe and Bob Shrum.

How many more election losses are the Democrats going to accept from McAuliffe? A Republican plant in his position couldn't do a better job.

And Shrum? He's what, 0 for 8 now?
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the fact that many(most?) kerry voters were voting aginst bush instead of for kerry
I think that's the key. Kerry promoted a "doom and gloom" outlook if Bush was re-elected... but failed to present a positive hope for the future if he was elected. That is why he lost, and why many who voted for Kerry are "losing it" because they bought the "doom and gloom" package. Kool-Aid stands are being erected all over the country. *sigh*
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I don't see a scapegoat this time around. I think the Democrats put up a relatively decent challenger, but going after a war-time president is extremely tough. If 9/11 didn't happen, Bush would have lost. I guess if you want to find a scapegoat, there it is. However, I feel, this was just a close election and most people went with the devil they knew instead of the devil they didn't know. No fault there, it's just comfort in stability. Finding a scapegoat won't do anything to improve the situation, in fact it may cause them to repeat the same mistakes in '08.
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Re: who's the scapegoat of the 2004 election?

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In 1992 and 1996 all was well and we didn't have a scapegoat.

In 2000 after bush was elected the media said it was the election of the angry white male

now they are saying that it was karl rove and his strategy of putting the gay marriage thing on the ballot in a bunch of states that made average people do the unthinkable by voting for bush

so what was it?
The scapegoat will be the religious right.

The media is already stating "moral values" was the deciding factor. They look at Bush's tenure and see nothing but doom and gloom, so they must find some excuse.
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I don't think there was a scapegoat. Not enough people wanted to change mid-stream. I really believe it is that simple.

If I had to pick one, it would have to be Mr. Kerry. He ran one of the worst, most disorganised campaigns in recent history. It was terrible, he lost.
I agree with the first statement about not enough people wanted change. I'm not certain it's that simple, however. I believe with the right candidate, Bush could have been beaten.

I agree that Kerry ran a terrible campaign for a long period. I believe he finally got his act together (somewhat) after the Swift Boat ads and how Vietnam backfired on him. Sort of reminds me of the campaign ran by Al Gore in 2000.
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Scapegoat number 2? Possibly Mother Nature in Florida.
Certainly helped with W and Jebby handing out jugs of water at the 7/11 every couple of days. I wonder what the turnout was in the panhandle. That's where Ivan hit.
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