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Old 11-03-04, 06:51 PM
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Bush didn't beat Kerry...

... Kerry beat Kerry.

Enough people disliked Bush that he should have lost, but people would rather go with "the devil you know", than "the devil you don't".
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Old 11-03-04, 06:52 PM
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if it brings you comfort....keep hope alive

Besides, Kerry got the nominee based on "electability". I remember that clearly.
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Old 11-03-04, 06:54 PM
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I believe Kerry ran the best campaign he was capable of...which wasn't very good.

The Democrats showed they haven't learned much from the lessons of 72, 84, 88, or 92.
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Old 11-03-04, 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by aintnosin
I believe Kerry ran the best campaign he was capable of...which wasn't very good.

The Democrats showed they haven't learned much from the lessons of 72, 84, 88, or 92.
What was the lesson in 92?
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Old 11-03-04, 07:01 PM
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Re: Bush didn't beat Kerry...

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... Kerry beat Kerry.
Hardly. It seems that Kerry pulled a vast majority of self-described liberals and a majority of moderates (55%). Of course he pulled in the black vote overwhelmingly, and he received ~50% of the hispanic vote (off from the standard Democratic pull). He pulled the numbers that he should have, with the exception of about ~10% of the aformentioned hispanic vote.

Bush simply pulled in an incredible number of conservatives, a majority of the married women vote, and a very large amount of the hispanic vote for a Republican. The Bush team targetted counties were they needed to gain, primarily ones they took in 2000. Republicans got out the vote. George Bush beat John Kerry.
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Old 11-03-04, 07:02 PM
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Enough people disliked Bush that he should have lost
Keep telling yourself that.

Yesterday this election was a referendum on the Bush presidency. Today it's not about Bush at all. What changed?
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What was the lesson in 92?
Southern moderates do better against vulnerable presidents than New England ultra-liberals.

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Old 11-03-04, 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by aintnosin
Southern moderates do better against unpopular presidents than New England ultra-liberals.
Just confusing how you lumped them all together.

Was Reagan that unpopular in 84? I was too young to care/notice.
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Originally posted by wmansir
Yesterday this election was a referendum on the Bush presidency. Today it's not about Bush at all. What changed?
Bush won.
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Old 11-03-04, 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by nevermind
Just confusing how you lumped them all together.

Was Reagan that unpopular in 84? I was too young to care/notice.
That was only the lesson of 92.

Lesson of 84: Ultra-liberal former vice-presidents of landslide-losing presidents don't do very well either. A Clinton-esque moderate probably couldn't have beaten Reagan either, but he might have taken more than one state.
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Re: Bush didn't beat Kerry...

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... Kerry beat Kerry.

Enough people disliked Bush that he should have lost, but people would rather go with "the devil you know", than "the devil you don't".
In 2000 Al Gore a southern democrat got 90% of the vote in NYC. In 2004 Kerry, a northeast liberal only got 65%. That's mr popularity for you
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You consider Walter Mondale an ultra-liberal?
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I think Teresa Heinz gave Kerry a good beating after his speech today.
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Originally posted by classicman2
You consider Walter Mondale an ultra-liberal?
He was certainly well to the left of anyone who could actually get elected against Reagan.
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Old 11-03-04, 07:16 PM
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I think Teresa Heinz gave Kerry a good beating after his speech today.
It didn't look like she had the energy to beat him. She looked exhausted.
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Probably looking for a new husband that will get her into the White House in 08.
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Probably looking for a new husband that will get her into the White House in 08.
Hillary?
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Hillary?


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Who said it has to be a Democrat? I mean she has hopped the aisle before..
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Old 11-03-04, 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by chanster
Who said it has to be a Democrat? I mean she has hopped the aisle before..
She swings both ways, huh?
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What was the lesson in 92?
Wait at least a half hour after eating before you go swimming.
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The overwhelming majority of Bush votes were FOR him, while about half the Kerry votes were against Bush.. dream on
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bush voters generally voted FOR bush
kerry voters were generally voting against bush
you need people to vote for you to win
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Old 11-03-04, 07:54 PM
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It was the constant "in-your-face" of guys like Michael Moore that motivated a huge turnout by conservatives and semi-conservatives.

There were plenty of outspoken Hollywood types in the Kerry PR campaign, which is perceived as a little scary by us humble midwesterners.
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