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Old 11-03-04, 03:18 AM
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Arizona requires proof of citizenship to vote

Arizona | Proposition 200: Proof of Citizenship
Amend the state constitution to require persons in Arizona to provide proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote; any state or local agency that provides benefits not federally mandated would require proof of citizenship.

Yes 830,866 56%
No 653,895 44%

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Now, we need to get this passed in the rest of the country. If I need to provide a birth certificate, 2 forms of ID, and 2 forms of residency proof to get a drivers license, why should I be allowed to vote with anything less?
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It's getting damned close to a National/State ID card, isn't it? <b>ANY</b> state or local agency benefit? How do you prove citizenship? Expect people to carry around a US birth certificate or naturalisation papers everywhere they go?

While the sentiment might give you a nice warm cozy feeling all over, you need to think about the implementation of such a proposition.
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Originally posted by naughty jonny
It's getting damned close to a National/State ID card, isn't it? <b>ANY</b> state or local agency benefit? How do you prove citizenship? Expect people to carry around a US birth certificate or naturalisation papers everywhere they go?

While the sentiment might give you a nice warm cozy feeling all over, you need to think about the implementation of such a proposition.
Birth certificates or naturalization papers are all that would be required to prove citizenship.

Implementation? Register at the Board of Elections and bring the paperwork with you. No more difficult than getting a drivers license.

No more third partys collecting registrations, too many opportunities for fraud.
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Originally posted by darkflounder
Birth certificates or naturalization papers are all that would be required to prove citizenship.

Implementation? Register at the Board of Elections and bring the paperwork with you. No more difficult than getting a drivers license.

No more third partys collecting registrations, too many opportunities for fraud.
That would be OK if it were just for elections, but if it's to gain any State funded benefit, it would not really be workable.

Besides, what does a birth certificate actually prove, anyway? It simply shows that someone with that name existed at that time. Doesn't show if they're still living, or if they're 5ft tall or 7ft tall.

By itself, a birth certificate means nothing. It's still just a secondard piece of identification AND it's not that secure as a method of ID in the 21st century to someone with a decent scanner and printer.

(Remember that if we relied solely on a birth certificate, the weak link would then be the carbon blob checking if it's valid. )

Far easier to apply to include this identification onto your driver's license - or if you don't have one, a non-driver's "identification" card.

And even if you only introduced this for people who wanted state benefits or to vote in elections, I think you'd still find Business and Government would start using this as 'preferred' method of identification. Stick in a biometric check (for <i>your</i> protection) and voila...(national) ID card.

Within probably 8 years (two elections), this would be the norm and people wouldn't even think twice.
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This Prop has already been challenged in court, and will continue to be in the future. Supposedly, McCain who was one of the father's of this measure, was extremely careful with the wording to avoid an overturn by the courts.
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