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Old 11-03-04, 01:10 AM
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Interesting theory about Gay Marriage and the vote

Looks like Bush will win. My financee made a good point - she felt that the number of states with a gay marriage issue on the ballot brought out Republicans in large numbers, especially in Ohio, which should have gone to Kerry (IMHO). Thoughts on this theory?
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"Theory"? Of course!
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"Theory"? Of course!
I think everyone agrees it's FACT

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Old 11-03-04, 01:17 AM
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The funny thing is, I think we established last week that Bush was much closer to being in favor of a gay marriage type thing than Kerry, at least in public statements.
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Re: Interesting theory about Gay Marriage and the vote

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Thoughts on this theory?
Nah. Crazy talk.

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I heard this on theory on the radio, it seems plausible. I disagree with the gay marriage ammendments but voted republican for president. But I can imagine a social issue like this energizing the conservative base.
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I think what's also strange is that Kerry is also against gay marriage. I guess the main difference is that he not in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage / banning gay marriage. It's a state issue anyway.
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I think it's safe to say that Bush coming out in favor of a Constitutional Ammendment to bar same-sex marriages won him the election.
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It's a state issue anyway.
If you believe all civil rights should only be a state issue, yes.
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Old 11-03-04, 02:14 AM
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I guess the main difference is that he not in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage / banning gay marriage.
Of course that's the key difference. One candidate said that he wouldn't attempt to legislate his beliefs. The other candidate basically pledged to do just that. Americans chose the latter.

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however....the big push for gay marriage comes out of the democratic party. by allowing that, they are making a huge mistake. i dont anytime soon if gay marriage continues to be pushed by those within the party.
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As usual, a winning issue(politically speaking) with most americans. What you all don't realize is that this time, unlike 2000, there was a huge and wildly successful GOP get out the vote drive. There were reports of 90%+ turnout in GOP counties in FL and OH by 2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
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Originally posted by DVD Josh
I think what's also strange is that Kerry is also against gay marriage. I guess the main difference is that he not in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage / banning gay marriage. It's a state issue anyway.
I disagree with that. I think his comment was for religious/political reasons. (He was already on thin ice with the CC over abortion.)He is more for leaving it up to the states and his has taken a stand he has not fought.
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How to get your core constituents motivated to get to the polls? Find an issue that will scare them silly and make sure it's on the ballot.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Bush re-election happened in part by getting some Americans to vote against the rights of other Americans.

When a victory is achieved by <i>dividing</i> the country, it's a sad, sad day.
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Old 11-03-04, 07:56 AM
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How to get your core constituents motivated to get to the polls? Find an issue that will scare them silly and make sure it's on the ballot.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Bush re-election happened in part by getting some Americans to vote against the rights of other Americans.

When a victory is achieved by <i>dividing</i> the country, it's a sad, sad day.
I think it's time that we stop making excuses. He won. Yes, this issue helped, but it wasn't the reason the majority of Repubs went to the polls.
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And the exciting part is, now that this is a proven strategy, we can look forward to more anti-gay legislation in the future! Woo fucking hoo

Furthermore, will all these defense in marriage bills passing, I can only assume that all your straight marriages are going to last longer now, right??

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Direct correlation between same-sex marriage being on the ballot and an increase in the Evangelical Christian vote this time around.
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The irony, for me at least since I live in Ohio, is that the Gay marriage amendment here quite possibly won the election for Bush, by getting the evangelicals out in large numbers, even though it was opposed by almost all the Republican statewide office holders.
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Direct correlation between same-sex marriage being on the ballot and an increase in the Evangelical Christian vote this time around.

So Rove achieved his goal - by using a divisive wedge issue to forge a victory.
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How many state ballot's was same-sex marriage on and does anyone know the final results?
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11 states, and it passed in all 11.
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Originally posted by Vryce
11 states, and it passed in all 11.
Figured it would. Curious about the percentages.
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Originally posted by Geofferson
Figured it would. Curious about the percentages.
Arkansas Amendment 3:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:53 a.m. ET

Full AR Yes 731,252 75%
No 244,305 25%

Georgia Amendment 1:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:57 a.m. ET

Full GA Yes 2,197,051 77%
No 667,965 23%

Michigan Proposal 04-2:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:53 a.m. ET

Full MI Yes 2,666,525 59%
No 1,880,874 41%

Mississippi Amendment 1:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:23 a.m. ET

Full MS Yes 901,864 86%
No 145,385 14%

Montana Initiative 96:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:51 a.m. ET

Full MT Yes 254,198 66%
No 130,061 34%

North Dakota Measure 1:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:40 a.m. ET

Full ND Yes 222,899 73%
No 81,396 27%

Ohio Issue 1:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 6:41 a.m. ET

Full OH Yes 3,242,160 62%
No 2,010,876 38%

Oklahoma Question 711:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 2:23 a.m. ET

Full OK Yes 1,075,069 76%
No 346,355 24%

Oregon Measure 36:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 11:47 a.m. ET

Full OR Yes 891,356 57%
No 681,884 43%

Utah Amendment 3:
Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Updated: 10:30 a.m. ET

Full UT Yes 557,278 66%
No 283,949 34%

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How to get your core constituents motivated to get to the polls? Find an issue that will scare them silly and make sure it's on the ballot.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Bush re-election happened in part by getting some Americans to vote against the rights of other Americans.

When a victory is achieved by <i>dividing</i> the country, it's a sad, sad day.
considering the fact that a large number if not most democrats are against gay marriage, it's a non-issue. the only reason it was talked about was because of what happened in SF and New Paltz. if gay marriage was such a big issue to democrats, it would have passed in NYC a long time ago.

kerry lost because it's almost impossible for a northeast liberal democrat to be elected president. that is a fact.
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Personally, I think that if this were true Bush would have won by much more. Oregon was the only vote that was close and it was a 10 point decision. So to say that this brought out Republicans when most of these were won by over 70% is silly. Obviously it wasn't just "the Christian Right" or anything else. You don't get 70% with large numbers without have the middle.

Sorry, but that's a fact.
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I think this is depressing me more than the Kerry loss. I don't think some of you straight folks will ever know what it feels like to have your rights voted away, and by such a large margin.
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