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Old 11-02-04, 09:41 AM
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Reports of early voting fraud in Philadelphia

Drudge report has the following:

<i>Before voting even began in Philladelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout downtown... One incident occurred at 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... Developing...</i>

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Old 11-02-04, 09:44 AM
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That's just outrageous! I mean, come on, nearly 500 votes? Sheesh. I only voted twice, now that's a reasonable number. Please cheat in moderation, folks!
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Old 11-02-04, 09:48 AM
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We need a One and Only Election Fraud thread with all this crap going on across the country.
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Nice.

The <i>only</i> way to get around ballot fraud is to avoid ballots by using computers. Unfortunately, the predominant solution is <i>far</i> more easily manipulated. We need a computerized voting system that is completely transparent, completely verifiable, and as tamper-proof as possible.

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I wonder who the votes were for.
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Old 11-02-04, 09:51 AM
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He says it is up to 2,000 now. All located in poor areas of Philly - wonder who the votes are for? I have a good idea.
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WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED!!!
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Old 11-02-04, 09:54 AM
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This is why both parties should have a single challenger at each polling location. Last thing they should do before the polls open is verify that the counters on each machine are set to zero.
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He says it is up to 2,000 now. All located in poor areas of Philly - wonder who the votes are for? I have a good idea.
Consider that when you jump to conclusions and make factual predictions based on personal bias, it has a chance of coming back and biting you in the ass. In this case, I'd say the chance is 50/50.


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I'd have to agree with David here. Philadelphia is already heavily Democratic, why would anyone need to increase the Dem's vote total? You run the risk of having more votes for Kerry than registered voters in the precinct. It's definitely 50/50 that it could be votes for either candidate.

Or what about that they never reset the machines from their last use?
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Old 11-02-04, 10:23 AM
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These machines suck big time.

NPR showed that you could just opening a file from the programs folder in Notepad and change the total with no record
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Originally posted by RevLiver
I'd have to agree with David here. Philadelphia is already heavily Democratic, why would anyone need to increase the Dem's vote total? You run the risk of having more votes for Kerry than registered voters in the precinct. It's definitely 50/50 that it could be votes for either candidate.

Or what about that they never reset the machines from their last use?
why to you assume that they were Dem votes?
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You guys are forgetting that Philadelphia is on Eastern Time. So, if it's 6am in CA, it's already 9am in Philly. Think about it!

Also, daylight savings time began on Sunday.
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Drudge blurb:

Pennsylvania GOP is going to file suit in the Court of Common Pleas in an effort to have the machines in question impounded and have them replaced 'with machines that did not already have votes on them'... Developing...
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Originally posted by RevLiver
Philadelphia is already heavily Democratic, why would anyone need to increase the Dem's vote total?
Ah, but the circumstances don't matter, either to me or to <b>chanster</b>.

<b>chanster</b> has taken the position in this forum that Democrats, as a class, are conspiring to commit voter fraud, while Republicans, as a class, are not. This is rather convenient, of course: any particular incident can be spun as yet more evidence of the Dem conspiracy, or merely a rogue company that the Republicans in no way condone.

I take the position that Democrats and Republicans are each comprised of people - and of such a wide and deep cross-section that they're statistically identical in most aspects. You can draw conclusions about political views - Democrats value civil liberty; Republicans value central authority - but in non-political aspects like ethics and personal happiness, the groups are equally heterogeneous.

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<b>chanster</b> has taken the position in this forum that Democrats, as a class, are conspiring to commit voter fraud
Well, we are David. Didn't you get the email I sent you?
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are we sure these weren't used in early voting?
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Originally posted by bfrank
NPR showed that you could just opening a file from the programs folder in Notepad and change the total with no record
Holy fuck. Are you kidding? That's an abomination. No wonder the U.N. wants to monitor our election processes - it's because <i>we really need it.</i>

This is the worst I've heard about the Diebold systems. The previous record was that some systems had included 802.11 cards that were <i>completely unsecured.</i> Someone proficient in hacking their neighbor's 802.11 network could just as easily rig the election. But that's peanuts in comparison to this.

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Originally posted by RevLiver
I'd have to agree with David here. Philadelphia is already heavily Democratic, why would anyone need to increase the Dem's vote total? You run the risk of having more votes for Kerry than registered voters in the precinct. It's definitely 50/50 that it could be votes for either candidate.

Or what about that they never reset the machines from their last use?
You would want to plant more votes there to cancel out the votes that come from the republican parts of the state. Spread the votes around to many machines. 100 here, 200 there, and you might be able to get away with it. With the % of people that don't show up you can probably easily get away with adding 100 or 200 votes to one machine. In these districts that are heavily democratic it wouldn't look that odd to have a high democrat count.
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Originally posted by bfrank
why to you assume that they were Dem votes?
I'm not. I'm saying to those who assume they are Dem votes to not make that assumption.
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
Holy fuck. Are you kidding? That's an abomination. No wonder the U.N. wants to monitor our election processes - it's because <i>we really need it.</i>

This is the worst I've heard about the Diebold systems. The previous record was that some systems had included 802.11 cards that were <i>completely unsecured.</i> Someone proficient in hacking their neighbor's 802.11 network could just as easily rig the election. But that's peanuts in comparison to this.

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you haven't been reading http://slashdot.org have you? over the last year they have linked to more stories about security problems with Diebold machines than you can list here.
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
Holy fuck. Are you kidding? That's an abomination. No wonder the U.N. wants to monitor our election processes - it's because <i>we really need it.</i>

This is the worst I've heard about the Diebold systems. The previous record was that some systems had included 802.11 cards that were <i>completely unsecured.</i> Someone proficient in hacking their neighbor's 802.11 network could just as easily rig the election. But that's peanuts in comparison to this.

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we had discussed it hear in some other threads. They actual had a guy do it on the radio! He was from some gruop that had tested all the machines as was wroking to get them replaced before the election.
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Drudge pulled the blurb about a Penn GOP demand of a machine impound.
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chanster has taken the position in this forum that Democrats, as a class, are conspiring to commit voter fraud, while Republicans, as a class, are not. This is rather convenient, of course: any particular incident can be spun as yet more evidence of the Dem conspiracy, or merely a rogue company that the Republicans in no way condone.
This is great. A mod in this forum spreading complete lies. Please point to one instance where I have said that Democrats, as a class, are consipiring to commit voter fraud. Can somebody ban a mod for completly bullshitting about my views. Ridicoulous.
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I heard they could be compromised with a Bic pen.
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