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Old 11-02-04, 07:52 AM
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Voting ethics

I just voted here in Tallahassee - a remarkably democratic city in a remarkably democratic state.

Right at the doors to the building was a woman with a giant sign reading "VOTE KERRY".

Isn't this sort of thing illegal??

There was even a 'voters rights attorney' supervising things, and he encouraged her saying "right on!"
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Old 11-02-04, 07:55 AM
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I thought in Illinois it was 50 feet from the door or something like that - not sure if it's a state law or federal, or maybe even county.

The 'voters rights attorney' had me and at the same time.

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Old 11-02-04, 07:58 AM
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Hey, it's Florida
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Old 11-02-04, 08:02 AM
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in GA, you can't campaign within 150 feet of the outside of any building used as a polling place
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Old 11-02-04, 08:02 AM
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Hey Toad - just for shits and giggles, go back with a "VOTE BUSH" sign and see what the 'voters rights attorney' says .

That is, unless you something better to do such as, oh I dunno, work.
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Florida law states that campaign workers/sign waving idiots must be at least 50 feet from the polls. Personally, I think this is bullshit because I was harassed by some clown only a few feet from the doors when I went to vote in the primaries. I wasn't harassed this time because I voted early. In NY, you have to be 200 feet away from the polls, a much more reasonable distance. I could see how things could get "unpleasant" with electioneers so close to the doors.

Oh and BTW, Florida is not a "remarkably Democratic State." Drive a few hours out of Tallahassee and you'll see what I'm talking about. Unless of course, you're speaking of "Democratic" in the terms of the state's version of Democracy.
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What annoys me is whether it is 10' or 100' you still have to walk through them on the way into the polling place. I'd like to see a "neutral zone" surrounding the parking lot, the walkways, and the polling place itself.
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Old 11-02-04, 08:22 AM
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Ok, so if its 50 feet, who should I contact to report it? We even had the local news there, and no one seemed to care.

VinVega - FL is a democratic state, is it not? Regardless, Tallahassee is a cesspool of democrats.

(Come on, our paper is The Democrat for crying out loud. )
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Old 11-02-04, 08:23 AM
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call the local GOP office
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Old 11-02-04, 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Venusian
call the local GOP office


Yeah - they'll be all over that like flies on shit.



Toad, go back with a video camera!
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Old 11-02-04, 08:25 AM
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oh and call the police. its a violation of the law
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Old 11-02-04, 08:32 AM
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I'd like to know it's a state law before I do that.
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Old 11-02-04, 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
Ok, so if its 50 feet, who should I contact to report it? We even had the local news there, and no one seemed to care.

VinVega - FL is a democratic state, is it not? Regardless, Tallahassee is a cesspool of democrats.

(Come on, our paper is The Democrat for crying out loud. )
I would call the police, the county supervisor of elections, and your local GOP chapter. If you don't get any satisfaction from that, try the local news stations. Depending on what else is going on, I don't know how much attention they're going to pay to the electioneering.
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Old 11-02-04, 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd like to know it's a state law before I do that.
Why? It'll be easier to call the police and inquire whether there's a law or not - that's what they are there for.
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Old 11-02-04, 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd like to know it's a state law before I do that.
I can't find a link to the law, but it's all over the news stations here in Tampa at least. At this point, take it or leave it. I'm a Demo giving you this information, so that might provide some level of trust since you're going after Democrats.
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http://election.dos.state.fl.us/laws...ProcManual.pdf

Sorry, had copy/pasting issues here....

The information is on page 3 (.pdf file page 6) of the manual above -- in general, it's 50 feet.
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I'm going after Democrats who are breaking the law, you're damned right.

As far as going outside of Tallahassee, I'm moving to Orlando in May.

I'm in law school here in Tallahassee, and that's why it's odd that I haven't heard anything about this 'law' - but I will check into it.
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Nice, thanks SMB.
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Please update us with what happens Toad. You've peaked my interest at least.
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Here's what it says:
Miscellaneous
You can restrict 50 feet from door of polling
place except for parking area, sidewalk, etc.,
but solicitation cannot interfere with voter
access and disruptive and unruly persons
may be removed from 50-foot area.

So that's unclear for me - this lady was on the sidewalk, and not obstructing the doorway, nor acting unruly. Looks like she was well within her rights.
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Except for parking lots and sidewalks?

So basically Florida's law for this could have been summed up by:
















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What annoys me is whether it is 10' or 100' you still have to walk through them on the way into the polling place. I'd like to see a "neutral zone" surrounding the parking lot, the walkways, and the polling place itself.
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That's the law? Is that even grammatically correct legalese? Here in NJ I believe it's 100' from the doors to a polling place. The interesting thing is some houses directly across the street from the Borough Hall (my polling place) have Bush-Cheney signs on their lawns. However, they've always had signs, every year, for their candidates. No big deal. I have never once seen a campaign worker or election monitor at my polling place.
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Old 11-02-04, 10:12 AM
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Pretty sure if its private property, they can do whatever they want. They can probably stand out there with a bullhorn yelling to vote Nader.

I called the Supervisor of Elections and some guy told me what the lady was doing was "ok", so I guess I've been bitching for nothing.

If I didn't have class all fucking day (til 8:00pm) I'd run back with a Bush sign and a hammer....
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Originally posted by Toad


If I didn't have class all fucking day (til 8:00pm) I'd run back with a Bush sign and a hammer....
I wish you could have, if for no other reason than to see if you got a "right on!" from the attorney
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