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RoyalTea 11-01-04 11:07 AM

Am I alone in hoping for a 269-269 tie?
 
I'd love to see the ensuing chaos.

eXcentris 11-01-04 11:11 AM

They explained this on CNN and went thru all the probabilities, even the remote one where you could theoretically end up with Bush as president and Edwards as vp. :lol:

Red Dog 11-01-04 11:12 AM

Such as?

classicman2 11-01-04 11:12 AM

I don't want to see the chaos.

I hope there is a clear-cut winner tomorrow (whoever it is) - no repeat of 2000.

Groucho 11-01-04 11:12 AM

If this goes to the House, what's the new breakdown shaping up to be?

eXcentris 11-01-04 11:13 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog
Such as?
Are you talking to me?

classicman2 11-01-04 11:14 AM


Originally posted by eXcentris
Are you talking to me?
I believe he is.

Do you know the answer? ;)

Red Dog 11-01-04 11:15 AM


Originally posted by eXcentris
Are you talking to me?
No

Simply put, if there is no lititgation (which is a big IF), unless there is a faithless elector, there will be little chaos. The GOP controls the House (by number of state delegations) so they will put Bush in the White House. Pretty simple.

eXcentris 11-01-04 11:18 AM


Originally posted by classicman2
I believe he is.

Do you know the answer? ;)

Jesus If I'd known that there would be a quizz I would have taken notes! :lol:

It went something like in case of a tie, Senate chooses president and House chooses vp (or vice-versa, can't remember). In the unlikely scenario that thr Reps controlled the Senate and the Dems controlled the House, the Bush for president and Edwards for vp could theoretically happen. But as it stands, the Reps should retain control of both the Senate and the House.

How's that? Did I pass? Can I vote? :banana:

classicman2 11-01-04 11:19 AM

That's good, for a Canadian. :)

eXcentris 11-01-04 11:20 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog
No


Darn, I fell into a C-man trap again. :(




...;)...

orangerory 11-01-04 11:20 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog
No

Simply put, if there is no lititgation (which is a big IF), unless there is a faithless elector, there will be little chaos. The GOP controls the House (by number of state delegations) so they will put Bush in the White House. Pretty simple.

If Kerry wins the popular vote, but there is a tie and it goes to the House and they pick GW - I GUARANTEE that there will be chaos in the sense that you and I would probably want to get our of the DC area for a while.

Red Dog 11-01-04 11:23 AM


Originally posted by orangerory
If Kerry wins the popular vote, but there is a tie and it goes to the House and they pick GW - I GUARANTEE that there will be chaos in the sense that you and I would probably want to get our of the DC area for a while.

I couldn't care less. Litigation bred chaos in 2000. Without it, I don't see there being much chaos and if anything, it will give everyone a nice constitutional lesson.

I just want to know if my sportsbook would pay my Bush bet in such an event or would they consider that a push.

RoyalTea 11-01-04 11:23 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog
No

Simply put, if there is no lititgation (which is a big IF), unless there is a faithless elector, there will be little chaos. The GOP controls the House (by number of state delegations) so they will put Bush in the White House. Pretty simple.

so the kerry supporters would just shut up and accept the seldom used constitutional rule of allowing the House delegations to select the president?

ha ha!

VinVega 11-01-04 11:23 AM

Re: Am I alone in hoping for a 269-269 tie?
 

Originally posted by RoyalTea
I'd love to see the ensuing chaos.
As most have mentioned here, there'd be little chaos, you'd just see the rules of the Constitution kick into action. The f-ed up thing would be that it would be the 2nd straight election where there were "alternative means" needed to decide on a President.

Red Dog 11-01-04 11:24 AM


Originally posted by RoyalTea
so the kerry supporters would just shut up and accept the seldom used constitutional rule of allowing the House delegations to select the president?

ha ha!


Bitching and moaning does not equal chaos.

Venusian 11-01-04 11:27 AM

carbon blobs are stupid. some would probably try to start chaos

classicman2 11-01-04 11:27 AM

Anything is better than getting the courts involved.

I, for one, don't want to hear about a 5-4 decision by the SC put Bush in the White House again.

orangerory 11-01-04 12:01 PM


Originally posted by Red Dog
Bitching and moaning does not equal chaos.
But protests and riots do!

Red Dog 11-01-04 12:04 PM


Originally posted by orangerory
But protests and riots do!

Protests? No. Riots? Yes. I don't see riots taking place in the event of a 269-269 tie.

Luc TC 11-01-04 12:06 PM

Well, the chaos is not in the process because it clearly states what will happen. The chaos is that we got a president elected this way. First he didn't win the popular vote and now this. I think that'll say a lot about our country and this two-term president.

People will not be happy.

orangerory 11-01-04 12:09 PM


Originally posted by Red Dog
Protests? No. Riots? Yes. I don't see riots taking place in the event of a 269-269 tie.
If Kerry wins the popular vote, and there is a tie, and the house votes for GWB to be president, I think it is a bit naive to think there will not be some ensuing chaos and a riot here and there. There are some extremely pissed off people from last election - they are not going to be quiet this time.

Now, I agree - the Constitution has a procedure in place - we should all agree with it. But not everyone is so respectful of our Constitutional process.

Red Dog 11-01-04 12:10 PM


Originally posted by Luc TC
Well, the chaos is not in the process because it clearly states what will happen. The chaos is that we got a president elected this way. First he didn't win the popular vote and now this. I think that'll say a lot about our country and this two-term president.

People will not be happy.


Again, 'not happy' does not equal 'chaos.' Will there be millions of disgruntled folks in the event of a 269-269 tie? Absolutely.

Red Dog 11-01-04 12:12 PM


Originally posted by orangerory
If Kerry wins the popular vote, and there is a tie, and the house votes for GWB to be president, I think it is a bit naive to think there will not be some ensuing chaos and a riot here and there. There are some extremely pissed off people from last election - they are not going to be quiet this time.

Now, I agree - the Constitution has a procedure in place - we should all agree with it. But not everyone is so respectful of our Constitutional process.


Frankly, when it comes to riots (and their likelihood), I have far more concern for a Detroit team winning a championship than Bush winning the presidency after a 269-269 tie.

Luc TC 11-01-04 01:13 PM


Originally posted by Red Dog
Again, 'not happy' does not equal 'chaos.' Will there be millions of disgruntled folks in the event of a 269-269 tie? Absolutely.
Millions of disgrunted folks lead to protests and protests lead to some of them getting out of control.


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