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Old 10-30-04, 10:53 AM
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We Will Get The President We Deserve: Agree/Disagree?

just wondering how many people will agree with that sentiment when they think about it.
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I think America is the greatest country in the world. I don't feel like George Bush or John Kerry represent the best that this country has to offer.
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We deserve a lot more, but politics in this country are so corrupt, that we will never see it.

It is easily seen when we are now voting for the lesser of two evils.... which is Kerry if you are not in the know
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I've never like the statement "We will get the leader we deserve". It sounds too much like hippie crap to me.
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kvrdave: do you wish we had 2 better candidates to choose from?
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Oh yes. But I would also say that these two are not terrible from a historical perspective.
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Fair enough. I'm voting Turd Sandwich.
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Old 10-30-04, 01:12 PM
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kvrdave: do you wish we had 2 better candidates to choose from?
I certainly do.

To say that the American public is going to get what they deserve I agree with that 100%.
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I certainly do.

To say that the American public is going to get what they deserve I agree with that 100%.
Eh, too self-hating for me, if that's what you are getting at. We deserve the best, we aren't getting close.
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Originally posted by Gallant Pig
kvrdave: do you wish we had 2 better candidates to choose from?

I don't.
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Fair enough. I'm voting Turd Sandwich.
No way! GIANT DOUCHE!
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That question sounds like what the commies would ask you.
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The people who vote for the winner will get what they deserve. The others won't.
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Politics have just gotten out of control. Saying that you'll get what you deserve seems kind of harsh if you really think about it. I hope that the people will learn something from these elections and.....god, I dunno what......
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For those who think we have such bad candidates, perhaps you could fill me in on all of the great ones we've had in the past 100 years. I particularly liked the bounty of great ones we had in the 1988 primaries. Jesse Jackson, Paul Simon, Pat Robertson, and Al Haig are just a few of the names that pop out at me. 1972 was another banner year, wasn't it?

Just curious.
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Originally posted by solipsta
Politics have just gotten out of control. Saying that you'll get what you deserve seems kind of harsh if you really think about it. I hope that the people will learn something from these elections and.....god, I dunno what......

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We had Eisenhower-Stevenson, that wasn't bad. Dewey-Truman?
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Originally posted by Pharoh
For those who think we have such bad candidates, perhaps you could fill me in on all of the great ones we've had in the past 100 years. I particularly liked the bounty of great ones we had in the 1988 primaries. Jesse Jackson, Paul Simon, Pat Robertson, and Al Haig are just a few of the names that pop out at me. 1972 was another banner year, wasn't it?

Just curious.

I can only go off elections in my teen/adult life, but at least I respected Bush I in 1988. Politically and personally, I cannot respect either Bush nor Kerry (or any of the candidates). These are definitely the worse major offerings in the last 24 years. Of course, 2000 wasn't much better, but at least there was a solid alternative IMO.
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Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Eh, too self-hating for me, if that's what you are getting at. We deserve the best, we aren't getting close.
That is just it I agree with you.

However it seems most people like the system the way it is and because of that we will never get the best.
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Well, no most people don't like the system the way it is. There seems to be a lack of leadership on the fundamental change that we need. I'd like a parliamentary system myself.
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Well, no most people don't like the system the way it is
I disagree. Consider that most polls only check votes for the two primary candidates. There are even polls that ask for undecided. It seems that pollsters are not interested in you if you do not vote. No voting is equated with shirking one's responsibility not with trying to draw attention to a failed system.
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Originally posted by Red Dog
I can only go off elections in my teen/adult life, but at least I respected Bush I in 1988. Politically and personally, I cannot respect either Bush nor Kerry (or any of the candidates). These are definitely the worse major offerings in the last 24 years. Of course, 2000 wasn't much better, but at least there was a solid alternative IMO.

And here is where I disagree. George HW Bush was a far worse candidate, a far worse President. He was a man that I supported with time and money until he lost much of my respect. The total field of candidates in 1988 was atrocious compared to what we faced this year.
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And here is where I disagree. George HW Bush was a far worse candidate, a far worse President. He was a man that I supported with time and money until he lost much of my respect. The total field of candidates in 1988 was atrocious compared to what we faced this year.

You are looking at Bush I in hindsight. If in 1988 you thought Bush I was a less respectable candidate than Bush II is today, then I am shocked. That is the way you have to view this - how the candidates were viewed at the time.
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You are looking at Bush I in hindsight. If in 1988 you thought Bush I was a less respectable candidate than Bush II is today, then I am shocked. That is the way you have to view this - how the candidates were viewed at the time.

I supported him, but I was far from inspired by him. Keep in mind, back then I was much more of a paleoconservative, which I am not at all today. So yes, to me, George W. Bush is a much better candidate than his father was in 1988.
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So yes, to me, George W. Bush is a much better candidate than his father was in 1988.

Wow.
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