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Old 10-30-04, 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by wmansir
Not vandalizing the White House would be a good start.
What are you talking about?
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Old 10-30-04, 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
What are you talking about?
The first of many lies and distortions from the bushies. They claimed that childish Clinton staffers "trashed" the White House when they moved out, taking W keys off of keyboards, leaving obscene phone messages, writing grafitti on walls, and generally leaving the place in worse shape than public housing. They also supposedly plundered Air Force One. The GAO called bullshit on the vast majority of it.
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Old 10-30-04, 12:28 PM
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Actually that article was just democratic spin. A General Services Administration manager put out a letter (not a report) that said it had not documented that the vandalism happened, because it hadn't investigated the matter and it's repair records do not document the cause of the damage. The democrats tried to play this the way the missleading headline does and say it cleared them. They raised a stink about it, so the GAO went ahead and did a full report, which concluded:

Damage, theft, vandalism, and pranks occurred in the White House
complex during the 2001 presidential transition. Incidents such as the
removal of keys from computer keyboards; the theft of various items; the
leaving of certain voice mail messages, signs, and written messages; and
the placing of glue on desk drawers clearly were intentional acts.

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Old 10-30-04, 06:11 PM
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Do what they do best, sue.
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Old 10-30-04, 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by Jason
The first of many lies and distortions from the bushies. They claimed that childish Clinton staffers "trashed" the White House when they moved out, taking W keys off of keyboards, leaving obscene phone messages, writing grafitti on walls, and generally leaving the place in worse shape than public housing. They also supposedly plundered Air Force One. The GAO called bullshit on the vast majority of it.
Regardless of the monetary amount of the damages, laws were violated.

Of course, what you would you expect of the Clinton underlings when their boss and the vice president had no respect for the laws of the country, as they both clearly demonstrated later on.
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Old 10-31-04, 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Jason
The first of many lies and distortions from the bushies.
Oh, I knew about that silly story. However, wmansir's been here over a year, and I was sure he wouldn't believe such a childish, idiotic tale - which led me to wonder was there something new that had just happened.
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Old 10-31-04, 02:56 AM
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The GAO tells childish, idiotic tales?

The date of Jason's story is Saturday, May 19, 2001. Bob Barr made an official request of the GAO to do an investigation on June 4, 2001. The results are linked above, dated June 7, 2002.
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Old 10-31-04, 09:19 AM
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From the GAO Report:

According to a limited number of EOP, GSA, and former Clinton administration staff we interviewed who worked in the White House complex during previous transitions, as well as a press account that we reviewed, some of the same types of observations that were made concerning the condition of the White House complex during the 2001 transition were also made during the 1993 transition. These observations included missing office signs and doorknobs, messages written inside desks, rank signs and messages, piles of furniture and equipment, and excessive trash left in offices. We also observed writing in a desk in the EEOB that was dated 1993. In addition, words and initials were reported observed carved into desks during the 1993 transition, which were not reported observed during the 2001 transition. On the other hand, no one said they observed keyboards with missing and damaged keys during
Page 18 GAO-02-360 The White House previous transitions, as numerous people said they observed in the White
House complex during the 2001 transition.
So bush I's staff left behind a mess as well.
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Old 10-31-04, 09:25 AM
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So bush I's staff left behind a mess as well.
Great arguement:
"Two wrongs make a right."

Quite different from the republicans were lying and it didn't occur.
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Old 10-31-04, 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Jason
From the GAO Report:



So bush I's staff left behind a mess as well.
Did the departing Clinton underlings violate laws?

If you chose not to answer, the forum will understand.
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Old 10-31-04, 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by classicman2
Did the departing Clinton underlings violate laws?

If you chose not to answer, the forum will understand.
*yawn*

Clinton staffers committed the same kind of petty vandalism that bush I's staff did. The degree of seriousness is related to partisanship more than anything else. Do you really think that pissed off neocon staffers won't take some "parting shots" if Kerry takes office? Do you think there will be the outrage from the right like there was in 2000 when they do?

Invoking THE LAW like this makes it sound like it's a federal crime to write grafitti. For the record, I think it's childish and stupid for people to do this kind of crap. Basic respect is something that's sorely lacking in all politics these days. My problem comes from the fact that the bush II apologists want people to believe that they are the only people who have suffered this indignity.
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Old 10-31-04, 10:47 AM
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Estimates of the damages were between $14,000 & $34,000.

Make all of the pathetic excuses you want, laws were violated.

I understand that the Clinton apologists are prone to make excuses for the administration. There's a lot of excuses they have to make for that lawless administration.
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Old 10-31-04, 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by classicman2
Estimates of the damages were between $14,000 & $34,000.
Damages from practical jokes played by outgoing administration: $14,000 - $34,000

Cost of GAO investigation: $200,000

Wallowing in one last bit of Clinton hatred: Priceless
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Old 10-31-04, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by dork
Damages from practical jokes played by outgoing administration: $14,000 - $34,000

Cost of GAO investigation: $200,000

Wallowing in one last bit of Clinton hatred: Priceless
A man steals $50,000.

The state spends 3 million dollars to try him.

Now, again what is your point?
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Originally posted by classicman2
A man kills a person.

The state spends 3 million dollars to try him.

Now, again what is your point?

Yeah, I didn't get that either. More money is spent on the investigation and prosecution of many crimes, perhaps an overwhelming majority of them.
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Old 10-31-04, 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by classicman2
A man steals $50,000.

The state spends 3 million dollars to try him.

Now, again what is your point?
Sorry to be oblique.

My point was, they took the "w" keys from some keyboards.
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Old 10-31-04, 01:38 PM
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They violated the law.

That's the problem with you Clinton apologists.

You only believe politicians you don't support should obey the law.

Clinton and his underlings, in your opinion, are immune from obeying those laws.

A little consistency never hurt anybody.
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Old 10-31-04, 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by classicman2
They violated the law.

That's the problem with you Clinton apologists.

You only believe politicians you don't support should obey the law.

Clinton and his underlings, in your opinion, are immune from obeying those laws.

A little consistency never hurt anybody.
Yes, they are funny. They didn't investigate Iraq in the first WTC bombing because their prosecutor's investigation found Al Queda links instead. Yet a couple of years later, they wouldn't take Osama bin Laden from Sudan when offered. At least according to info dork has posted before.
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Old 11-01-04, 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jason

Invoking THE LAW like this makes it sound like it's a federal crime to write grafitti.
When that graffiti defaces federal property, it is a federal crime....

Thanks for playing, though!
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Old 11-03-04, 02:24 AM
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He now has real chance to unite, to do what is best for the nations. What will he do?
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Old 11-03-04, 04:35 AM
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I say he pulls a Gore, grows a beard, gets fat, loses the beard, loses the fat...and then loses his MIND!!
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Old 11-03-04, 09:43 AM
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I find threads like this are simply asinine because they are thrown out there without any real substance.

To the thread creator who wrote:
Will he instead seek to unite, and urge his followers to rally around the President?
Why not go into a little more detail on what you mean by "rally around the President?"

Perhaps you should explain what you would do to unite if you had lost the election?
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Old 11-03-04, 09:59 AM
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Maybe the Senate Democrats will elect him as Minority Leader?

Or not.
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I was thinking of that myself.
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