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Old 10-29-04, 02:19 PM
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Top Ten Reasons to Not Vote For Bush

(I lifted this from One Thousand Reasons )

Top Ten Reasons to Not Vote For Bush

10. Corruption
The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.

09. Military
We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.

08. Secrecy
This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.

07. International Relations
When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.

06. Environment
One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.

05. Taxes
No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.

04. Liberties
Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.

03. Economy
As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.

02. War
History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.

01. Honesty
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.
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Old 10-29-04, 02:23 PM
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Same tired old arguments. Very few hold water, imo.
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Too bad for you he's going to be the President for 4 more years !

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Old 10-29-04, 02:27 PM
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Re: Top Ten Reasons to Not Vote For Bush

Originally posted by Chrisedge
01. Honesty. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life.
How Ironic. Perhaps this author could learn a thing or two about honesty.
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Why do I smell the bizzaro version of this thread coming around the corner?
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Why do I smell the bizzaro version of this thread coming around the corner?

n00b, this is the bizzaro version.
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That's it - my vote has been swayed.
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Old 10-29-04, 02:48 PM
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Re: Top Ten Reasons to Not Vote For Bush

Originally posted by Chrisedge
(I lifted this from One Thousand Reasons )

07. International Relations
. . . He walked away from Kyoto, . . .

06. Environment
. . . Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic.
One small step for truth and honesty. Clinton walked away from Kyoto after the Senate voted 95-0 to advise him not to bring it to the floor for ratification. Kerry either voted with the objectors or was AWOL that day, since nobody in the whole Senate voted for it. This was 3.5 years before Bush took office.

However, I do think he recognized it as the "third rail" after seeing the reaction Clinton received. Nobody has touched it since.

Kerry now says "Bush could have worked on its shortcomings" Obviously Clinton could have worked on them for 3.5 years; hell, Kerry could have worked on them for seven. But, in usual Dem rhetoric. "it's all Bush's fault."

I don't have time to systematically deal with all the lies. Maybe others will each tackle 1-2.
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Keep in mind, folks, that these are only the top10. You'll probably all agree with the other hundreds of reasons not to vote for Bush.

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What is funny is a list for the top ten reasons to vote for Kerry could not be found.
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Originally posted by dick_grayson
Keep in mind, folks, that these are only the top10. You'll probably all agree with the other hundreds of reasons not to vote for Bush.

I think after a few more of the ten are rebutted, we'll just extrapolate.
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Originally posted by BigDaddy
What is funny is a list for the top ten reasons to vote for Kerry could not be found.
It's the same list, really.

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Originally posted by sfsdfd
It's the same list, really.

- David Stein
Look, I'll concede "he's not Bush" should count as one legitimate reason, but Kerry's Senate record certainly doesn't give me warm, fuzzy feelings and is certainly the fodder for many attacks. It's a "lesser of evils" year.
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Originally posted by BigDaddy
What is funny is a list for the top ten reasons to vote for Kerry could not be found.
Just found out the top reason if you live in Florida...

Kerry told the people of Palm Beach "If you elect me President I'll show you what love is."
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Originally posted by BigDaddy
What is funny is a list for the top ten reasons to vote for Kerry could not be found.
Top Reason To Vote For John Kerry:

He's not George W. Bush.
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Originally posted by OldDude
It's a "lesser of evils" year.

It always is.
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Originally posted by logrus9

Kerry told the people of Palm Beach "If you elect me President I'll show you what love is."

eewwww.

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that picture is wrong in soo many ways.
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according to 9 we spend $400 billion on the military a year. according to 5, we spend $800 billion on the military a year.

which is it?
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$ 379 billion (2003) - United States ($48 billion increase from Fiscal 2002 to 2003)
$ 34.8 billion ( 2001 ) - United Kingdom
$ 29 billion ( 2000 ) - Russia
$ 27 billion ( 2000 ) - France
$ 23.1 billion ( 2001 ) - Germany
$ 18.7 billion ( 2000 ) - Saudi Arabia
$ 15.9 billion ( 2000 ) - India
$ 14.5 billion ( 2000 ) - China
$ 12.8 billion ( 2000 ) - South Korea
$ 12.8 billion ( 2000 ) - Taiwan
$ 7.5 billion ( 2000 ) - Iran
$ 3.3 billion ( 2000 ) - Pakistan
$ 1.8 billion ( 2000 ) - Syria
$ 1.4 billion ( 1999 ) - Iraq
$ 1.3 billion ( 2000 ) - North Korea
$ 1.3 billion ( 2000 ) - Yugoslavia
$ 1.2 billion ( 2000 ) - Libya
$ 425 million ( 2000) - Sudan
$ 31 million ( 2000 ) - Cuba

Very telling. This year's budget looks to be about $400 billion - <i>without</i> counting Iraq. The disparity in these numbers is really shocking (the first time you see them, anyway.)

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Re: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Not Vote For Bush

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One small step for truth and honesty. Clinton walked away from Kyoto after the Senate voted 95-0 to advise him not to bring it to the floor for ratification. Kerry either voted with the objectors or was AWOL that day, since nobody in the whole Senate voted for it. This was 3.5 years before Bush took office.

However, I do think he recognized it as the "third rail" after seeing the reaction Clinton received. Nobody has touched it since.

Kerry now says "Bush could have worked on its shortcomings" Obviously Clinton could have worked on them for 3.5 years; hell, Kerry could have worked on them for seven. But, in usual Dem rhetoric. "it's all Bush's fault."

I don't have time to systematically deal with all the lies. Maybe others will each tackle 1-2.
Yeah, 06 and that part of 07 are about the only reasons I can think of to vote for Bush.
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It's funny.
Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, and Clinton have been in DC for how long now? Bush sets foot in 00 and it's all his fault.

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Originally posted by sfsdfd
$ 379 billion (2003) - United States ($48 billion increase from Fiscal 2002 to 2003)
$ 34.8 billion ( 2001 ) - United Kingdom
$ 29 billion ( 2000 ) - Russia
. . . .
Very telling. This year's budget looks to be about $400 billion - <i>without</i> counting Iraq. The disparity in these numbers is really shocking (the first time you see them, anyway.)

- David Stein
No one else has a military doctrine of being prepared to fight a major war (ie world war) on two distant fronts (as was required in WWII). Do you advocate we abandon that doctrine and go back to being unprepared until there is a problem? What level of war should we be prepared to fight. Most of defense cost is actually preparation for wars we hope don't occur. ANd I firmly believe our level of preparation intimidates opponents and keeps them from occuring.

But if this is a reason to vote for Kerry over Bush, then I assume Kerry advocates our being unprepared, or, at least, less prepared.

There are some honest questions about whether we could live up to our doctrine, but that would cost even more. Note that no one else can project power at a distance. Europeans couldn't do so in Europe without us (Balkans)
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