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Old 10-28-04, 11:12 AM
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Milwaukee: 5600 addresses on voter rolls may not exist

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct04/270289.asp

Republicans challenge 5,600 addresses that may not exist
Complaint filed within minutes of city's deadline
By MEG JONES
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Posted: Oct. 27, 2004

State Republicans filed a last-minute complaint Wednesday with the Milwaukee Election Commission claiming that 5,600 city addresses on the voter rolls may not exist.

The commission will meet at 9 a.m. today to consider the Republican allegation.

The Republican Party of Wisconsin checked the addresses of more than 300,000 people registered to vote in the city with a software program also used by the U.S. Postal Service.

Republicans found that 5,619 addresses may be non-existent and then visited a number of the addresses. They snapped photos showing vacant lots, a gyro stand, a park and spots between two houses where the address should have been.

A Republican Party spokesman said the GOP routinely checks voter rolls to purge files and was interested in the city of Milwaukee because of the large number of new voter registrations for this presidential election.

"George Bush lost the state by 5,708 votes, so these kinds of things do matter," Chris Lato said.

A spokesman for John Kerry sharply criticized the move by Republicans, saying it was merely to prevent people, most likely those who lean Democratic, to vote.

"This is part of a consistent effort on their part to try and call the legitimacy of the electoral system into question," said George Twigg, Kerry's Wisconsin campaign director.

"Time and again Democrats have been working to encourage more to participate and encourage high participation. Republicans continue to file these often wildly inaccurate challenges to attempt to disenfranchise people," Twigg said.
Minutes to go

Election Commissioner Allen Campos said a complaint was filed at 4:57 p.m. Wednesday, which prompted today's special meeting. The complaint was filed just three minutes before the city deadline.

The commission will have to determine whether the addresses are invalid because they don't exist or whether they're invalid simply because of a data processing error, such as an inverted house number, said Patrick Curley, chief of staff for Mayor Tom Barrett. The software used to check the addresses will also be examined.

"The fact is, the complaint was filed and we do have to address the issues and give them a fair public hearing," Curley said.

He added that all voters should bring identification when they vote to ensure a smooth voting process.

Among the addresses that don't exist, according to the GOP complaint:
# 1858 W. Fairmount Ave. Someone listing that address voted in November 2000 and November 2002, but a photo shows a street corner with no home.

# 5754 W. Villard Ave. Someone listing that address voted in April, but a photo shows a gyro stand on a corner with advertisements adorning a chain link fence.

# 8829 W. Bender Ave. Someone listing that address voted in November 2000, in April, September and November 2002, and in February and April this year, but a photo shows the address would have to be in a small space between two houses.

Darrin Schmitz, executive director of the Wisconsin Republican Party, said the software used to find the non-existent addresses is the same software used by the Postal Service when that agency tries to determine if an address is valid.
Similar efforts elsewhere

Twigg compared the petition to efforts by Republicans in other states challenging voter addresses and registrations.

"We saw it in Ohio. Their allegations there were plagued with inaccuracies," Twigg said. "It remains to be seen how much credence there is in any of these latest allegations. But based on their track record in Ohio, I'm not that confident."

Schmitz disputed Twigg's comments and said Republicans filed the petition to make sure that every ballot is cast by someone who is eligible to vote.

"We should not be in a position where someone casts a vote dishonestly and cancels the vote of someone who should be participating in the Democratic process," Schmitz said.
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Old 10-28-04, 11:19 AM
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Stupid Republicans trying to make sure things are done legally.. the nerve.
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Old 10-28-04, 11:20 AM
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"A spokesman for John Kerry sharply criticized the move by Republicans, saying it was merely to prevent people, most likely those who lean Democratic, to vote."

The facts may be wrong, but the idea is correct...hhmmmm must have studied the Dan Rather book of truth.
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A spokesman for John Kerry sharply praised the initiative by Democrats, saying it was merely to allow non-existent people, most likely those who lean Democratic, to vote.



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or whether they're invalid simply because of a data processing error, such as an inverted house number,
I'm not sure how they do it there since every place is different. However, we have to put our name, address, and DoB on a little form which is checked against the rolls. Seems if a number was inverted thru data entry, it wouldn't be when the voter filled out the form and the problem would be noticed. I hope they know the names of the people who voted from these phony addresses, track them down, and prosecute.

I am appalled by the DNC reaction. It is evident that they believe nearly all illegal voting is to their advantage, they like it, and their goal is to block anyone who tries to correct. That may border on "sweeping generalization" but it is heavily backed by their own words in the quoted article. They favor and support criminal action that leads to election of their candidate, even if they don't commit it themselves.
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Old 10-28-04, 11:37 AM
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There's some talk show radio host on CSPAN right now (they're doing this goofy simulcast thing) according to him (I haven't verified it) same day registration & voting is allowed in Wisconsin, no ID proof is needed for this AND you are legally allowed to find out who has and hasn't voted earlier in the day...
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Originally posted by nemein
There's some talk show radio host on CSPAN right now (they're doing this goofy simulcast thing) according to him (I haven't verified it) same day registration & voting is allowed in Wisconsin, no ID proof is needed for this AND you are legally allowed to find out who has and hasn't voted earlier in the day...
Yeah, all I have to do is say my name and verify my address. No picture ID or anything. Seems to me the state is being far too trusting.
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"This is part of a consistent effort on their part to try and call the legitimacy of the electoral system into question," said George Twigg, Kerry's Wisconsin campaign director.

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Originally posted by wmansir

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"This is part of a consistent effort on their part to try and call the legitimacy of the electoral system into question," said George Twigg, Kerry's Wisconsin campaign director.
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Actually, I believe they are trying to question the illegitimacy of the election system (as practiced in leading Democratic areas) into question. Are fictional people voting from mythical addresses really good for democracy? (obviously they are good for Democracy)
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So now if I live in a gyro stand, I'm not allowed to vote? Keeping down the Greek vote is how they beat Dukakis, and apparently it's how they plan to beat Kerry as well.

I kid. Voter fraud is bad, mmkay?
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Originally posted by JasonF
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I kid. Voter fraud is bad, mmkay?

But gyros are good!
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wouldnt the state check the address the same way?

Why would the lawyers wait and filed a last-minute complaint?

Cant the one that are for sure not address just be taken off? I wouldl expect the state would do this - right?

Man we need a national system/standard bad!
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Just heard on the same radio program the request was denied... Looks like WI can be counted for Kerry
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So now if I live in a gyro stand, I'm not allowed to vote? Keeping down the Greek vote is how they beat Dukakis, and apparently it's how they plan to beat Kerry as well.

I kid. Voter fraud is bad, mmkay?
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Originally posted by bfrank
wouldnt the state check the address the same way?

Why would the lawyers wait and filed a last-minute complaint?

Cant the one that are for sure not address just be taken off? I wouldl expect the state would do this - right?

Man we need a national system/standard bad!
I'm wondering how they know for certain it's not a real address. 1858 Fairmount Ave may be a vacant lot, but is 1885 or 1588? Are they sure one of those 8s wasn't a 6 or 9 written funny? How is this correctly verified? If it's OCR used to generate these lists, I know that it isn't a perfectly exact method.

As for the same software the post office uses, I'm skeptical that that's perfect as well. When I moved into my new house I was given a key to the local mailbox (all boxes are in one big mailstand on the street) for my 2300 address, they gave me the key to the box which would receive mail for 2200. It took us about 3 weeks of receiving only one piece of mail (yes, delivered to the wrong box!) to realize we had the wrong box... 2200 was a vacant lot for 2 years.

When I voted they didn't give my full address. The lady asked if I still lived on the street listed, and I said I did. If they had the wrong address down for me, it wouldn't have been caught.

My concern is that republicans are generating a list. Is it naive of me to assume that the majority of that list will be voting democrat? Do I think republicans might be willing to overlook a registered republicans improper address? You bet. If it were some independant non-partisan organization that came up with this list, I wouldn't really have much of a problem with it.
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I can't believe this shit. And I can't believe that the Kerry campaign actually tries to defend the idea of these addresses being able to vote. Perhaps they do know that Democrats are more likely to commit voter fraud.
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I agree - this is suck but why did the repubs wait untilt he last minute to file???

Makes no sense? If there was more time it would have been easier to investigate - why wait until its too late?
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I don't disagree. I would like to know when the new registrations came about. That may answer the question.
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I believe they are trying to question the illegitimacy of the election system (as practiced in leading Democratic areas) into question.
They're questioning the illegitimacy of the system into question?

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Man I am so sick of this nonsense. I say The Terminator just burn the Constitution and make himself Emperor of the US so we can be done with voting all together.
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I agree - this is suck but why did the repubs wait untilt he last minute to file???

Makes no sense? If there was more time it would have been easier to investigate - why wait until its too late?
as for #1.. voter rolls for this election were probably only recently finalized due to registration cutoffs.

we do need a national standard badly and a way to vknowingly oid prior registrations when someone files a new one in a new location.
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They may have just filed the complaint so they could have more time to dig up more bad addresses.
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Originally posted by Mordred
If it's OCR used to generate these lists, I know that it isn't a perfectly exact method.
OCR for typed documents is 90% accurate; I have no idea what it is for handwritten documents, but it's got to be a lot lower.

90% accurate may seem pretty high, but if you take an address like:

John Doe
22 Main St.
Milwaukee, WI 55555

You're going to have about three and a third characters OCR'ed wrong. That's more than three errors in every address (on average). And I picked a short name and address -- when Christopher Kryzewski of 14309 Strawberry Patch Avenue registers, there are going to be a lot more OCR errors.
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
I make typing/editing errors in like 10% of my posts, but rarely do I just slaughter the English language like this.
I do
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
They're questioning the illegitimacy of the system into question?

I make typing/editing errors in like 10% of my posts, but rarely do I just slaughter the English language like this.

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Guilty as charged. I cut and pasted to have the same language as much as possible and failed to adequately edit.
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