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Libertarian Founder Endorses Bush!

LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIBERTARIANS | 10-24-2004 | Dr. John Hospers

Posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Y2Krap

LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH

From Elder Statesman John Hospers * * *

AN OPEN LETTER TO LIBERTARIANS

Dear Libertarian:

As a way of getting acquainted, let me just say that I was the first presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party back in l972, and was the author of the first full-length book, Libertarianism, describing libertarianism in detail. I also wrote the Libertarian Partyís Statement of Principles at the first libertarian national convention in 1972. I still believe in those principles as strongly as ever, but this year -- more than any year since the establishment of the Libertarian Party -- I have major concerns about the choices open to us as voting Americans.

There is a belief thatís common among many libertarians that there is no essential difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties -- between a John Kerry and a George W. Bush administration; or worse: that a Bush administration would be more undesirable. Such a notion could not be farther from the truth, or potentially more harmful to the cause of liberty.

The election of John Kerry would be, far more than is commonly realized, a catastrophe. Regardless of what he may say in current campaign speeches, his record is unmistakable: he belongs to the International Totalitarian Left in company with the Hillary and Bill Clintons, the Kofi Annans, the Ted Kennedys, and the Jesse Jacksons of the world. The Democratic Party itself has been undergoing a transformation in recent years; moderate, pro-American, and strong defense Senators such as Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman and Scoop Jackson are a dying breed. Observe how many members of the Democrat Party belong to the Progressive Caucus, indistinguishable from the Democratic Socialists of America. That caucus is the heart and soul of the contemporary Democratic Party.

Todayís Democrats have been out of majority power for so long that they are hungry for power at any price and will do anything to achieve it, including undermining the President and our troops in time of war; for them any victory for Americans in the war against terrorism is construed as a defeat for them.
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(clears throat)

Let the character assassination begin!
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He lost me when he used Lieberman as a positive example.
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Well there goes Badnarik's chances
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Well I don't understand. Bush certainly isn't a libertarian ideal, spending is through the roof, government is bigger than ever, etc. SO is he telling us to vote for Bush because Badnarik can't win? If so, isn't that against the basic premise of the 3rd party candidates?

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Sounds more like a realization that a third party candidate doesn't have a realistic chance and the danger of Kerry winning outweighs any other considerations.
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Sounds more like a realization that a third party candidate doesn't have a realistic chance and the danger of Kerry winning outweighs any other considerations.
Which is why the two-party system will stay that way as long as I'm alive, probably.
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Which is why the two-party system will stay that way as long as I'm alive, probably.
Unfortunately I agree, however, while I've always voted third party up until now I'm seriously considering voting for Bush this time exactly for the reasons he gives.
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Originally posted by Gallant Pig
He lost me when he used Lieberman as a positive example.
He lost me when he said Zel Miller without putting "nutball" in front of his name. Lieberman may not be the ideal liberal, but at least he's not a raving lunatic.
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Originally posted by nevermind
Which is why the two-party system will stay that way as long as I'm alive, probably.



Thank goodness!
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How dare he tell people not to throw their votes away. Then again, the RNC and reps aren't suing to get libertarians off the ballots like the DNC and dems are to Nader.
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I wonder if Ross Perot is endorsing Bush again?
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I wonder if Ross Perot is endorsing Bush again?
Well, are you going to tell me? I'm all ears.
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Oops, looks like the Reformn Party is backing Nader this time.
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Originally posted by Ranger
Oops, looks like the Reformn Party is backing Nader this time.
That one had me kind from Perot to Nader in 3 cycles seems to be quite a jump.
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The incredible expansion of government (even excluding defense and homeland security), the civil liberties crap ... the only libertarian-like thing that Bush has done in 4 years are the tax cuts, and I'm supposed to support him as a libertarian?

Forget it.

If I don't vote Badnarik (as I probably will), I'm voting Kerry for the purpose of trying to create a split between the executive and legislative branches. That's it.

Edit: This just pisses me off. And as an aside, why the hell did I bother to click on the link and read the freep comments? Only two sites on the internet I hate more than freep are the kos and lgf blogs.

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To set the record straight:

John Hospers was the first Libertarian Party candidate for president but he was not the founder of the party. The founder was David Nolan.
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or any jerk-off session, for that matter.
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Thank You, John Hospers...for having the Courage to speak the Truth.
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Originally posted by Global Observer
Thank You, John Hospers...for having the Courage to speak the Truth.
Missed the bit about "undermining our troops", I see. And the generalization that Democrats are single-minded and power-hungry. Or that the election of Kerry would be catastrophic...

With this endorsement, Hospers basically says he has become just another old coot that doesn't understand the world today.
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With this endorsement, Hospers basically says he has become just another old coot that doesn't understand the world today.
Or he just has a different understanding/world view than you have. I suspect neither one of you (nor myself or anyone out there essentially) is completely right.
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No, I never said I was completely right, but Hospers is clearly wrong.
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
No, I never said I was completely right, but Hospers is clearly wrong.
You are obviously offended by the sound of a nail being hit right on the head.
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Hospers is clearly wrong.
How so?
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