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Old 10-20-04, 02:09 PM
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Bush: "We're not going to have any casualties!"

Did a search, didn't find anything on this... interesting, though:

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of the U.S. Christian Coalition said Tuesday he told President George W. Bush before the invasion of Iraq that he should prepare Americans for the likelihood of casualties, but the president told him, "We're not going to have any casualties."

Pat Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, said he had that conversation with the president in Nashville, Tennessee, before the March 2003 invasion U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. He described Bush in the meeting as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on the CNN show, "Paula Zahn Now."

"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "

Robertson said the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."

The White House has made no reaction to Robertson's comments.

Robertson, the televangelist who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

More than 1,100 U.S. troops have died in Iraq and another 8,000 troops have been wounded in the ongoing campaign, with the casualty toll significantly increasing in the last six months as the insurgency there has deepened.

Asked why Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said, "I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed up.' "

Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the president will win the election and that "the blessing of heaven is on Bush."

"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.

As for Bush's Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry, Robertson said, "I don't think he's a leader. He's a ponderous debater, a good senator probably."
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Don't know why Pat would come out with this now, as it surely makes his guy look like bad.
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Old 10-20-04, 02:13 PM
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I believe that, esp. when over and over again Bush has said that the war on terror is going to be long and hard.

Has Dan ratherBiased started working for CNN?
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Old 10-20-04, 02:18 PM
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So you're calling Pat Robertson a liar now?
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Old 10-20-04, 02:22 PM
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Everyone lies to certain degrees, I think he's lying about this or he is quoted out of context. For example: "Bush said we aren't goint to have tens of thousands of casualties."
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To save everyone's time, just read this old thread. I doubt anyone's opinion of Pat Robertson has changed since then.
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Originally posted by bhk
I believe that, esp. when over and over again Bush has said that the war on terror is going to be long and hard.

Of course, this the same Bush who believes god speaks through him...or maybe he's just thinking concretely and vaguely remembering what he considers a biblical precedent.
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Old 10-20-04, 02:40 PM
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This certainly wasn't taken out of context, as you can read the transcript right here.

ZAHN: He's been posed repeatedly in debates, what mistakes have you made? He's been asked that on the campaign trail and he hasn't come up with any.

ROBERTSON: I met with him down in Nashville before the Gulf War started. And he was the most self-assured man I ever met in my life.

You remember, Mark Twain said, he looks like a contended Christian with four aces. He was just sitting there, like, I'm on top of the world, and I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties.

Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties. Well, I said, it's the way it's going to be. And so, it was messy. The lord told me it was going to be, A, a disaster and, B, messy. And before that, I had deep, in my spirit, I had deep misgivings about going into Iraq.
Think what you want of Pat, I see no reason why he'd lie about something like this.
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Originally posted by waveform
Of course, this the same Bush who believes god speaks through him...or maybe he's just thinking concretely and vaguely remembering what he considers a biblical precedent.
He believes god speaks to him not thru him. But he believes in god and is open about it so I guess that means he is evil and needs to be stopped before he ruins the country with his christian rhetoric.
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Old 10-20-04, 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Mopower
He believes god speaks to him not thru him. But he believes in god and is open about it so I guess that means he is evil and needs to be stopped before he ruins the country with his christian rhetoric.
Oh I must have misinterpreted his exact words.

" I trust god speaks THROUGH me. Without that I couldn't do my job."

16 July, 2004

So, apparently god is actually running the US. One would have hoped that omnipotence would have resulted in higher poll numbers.
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Old 10-20-04, 02:49 PM
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I find it funny that certain people now take Pat Robertson seriously.
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Originally posted by waveform
Oh I must have misinterpreted his exact words.

" I trust god speaks THROUGH me. Without that I couldn't do my job."

16 July, 2004

So, apparently god is actually running the US. One would have hoped that omnipotence would have resulted in higher poll numbers.
I seriously doubt he thinks god literally talks "through" him. As in his words are gods words. He uses god's guidance to help him make decisions.
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Originally posted by Mopower
I seriously doubt he thinks .
AAAHH. That's better.
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Originally posted by Red Dog
I find it funny that certain people now take Pat Robertson seriously.
I don't take Pat seriously. I think he's an @-hole, fringe wack-job. But why is he slinging mud at the guy he says is blessed by god to run the country?
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Just another weak October Surprise.
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i still dont take pat robertson seriously.


maybe pat wants bush to show some humility. that would be nice, although probably not politically wise
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Originally posted by waveform
AAAHH. That's better.
0/5
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Originally posted by RoboDad
0/5
Now god is pissed at you.
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Originally posted by joeblow69
So you're calling Pat Robertson a liar now?
If you want to side with Pat Robertson....I'm ready to play that game with you.
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Originally posted by joeblow69
I don't take Pat seriously. I think he's an @-hole, fringe wack-job. But why is he slinging mud at the guy he says is blessed by god to run the country?

Can anyone explain why a wack-job does or says what he does?
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Originally posted by Red Dog
Can anyone explain why a wack-job does or says what he does?
Sure. Everything this particular wack-job does and says is for the following reasons: to get people to believe in him, to send him money, and to further his agenda. Which is why these comments have me

Maybe he thinks GWB is moving too far to the center, and this is just a little reminder to georgie that he needs to keep tending to his base, otherwise they'll turn on him?
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Originally posted by joeblow69
Sure. Everything this particular wack-job does and says is for the following reasons: to get people to believe in him, to send him money, and to further his agenda. Which is why these comments have me

Maybe he thinks GWB is moving too far to the center, and this is just a little reminder to georgie that he needs to keep tending to his base, otherwise they'll turn on him?
...but...but...god is speaking through him.
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Maybe god burned the wrong Bush.
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seems like everyone is jumping on this story

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/se...F-8&fl=0&x=wrt

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its now on Yahoo's front page

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EAU CLAIRE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- A White House spokesman denied Wednesday that President Bush told Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson that he did not expect casualties from the invasion of Iraq.

"The president never made such a comment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes, a longtime confidant of the president, said she was "certain" Bush would not have said anything like that to Robertson.

"Perhaps he misunderstood, but I've never heard the president say any such thing," Hughes said on CNN's "Inside Politics."

Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, told CNN in an interview Tuesday night that he urged the president to prepare the American people for the prospect of casualties before launching the war in March 2003.

Robertson said Bush told him, " 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "

More than 1,100 American troops have been killed in Iraq since the invasion, most of them battling an insurgency that followed the overthrow of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Sen. John Kerry, Bush's Democratic challenger, quickly seized on Robertson's account.

Kerry's campaign issued a statement Wednesday challenging Bush to say whether the "700 Club" founder and 1988 GOP presidential candidate was telling the truth.

"We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here," Kerry spokesman Mike McCurry said in a news release.

"But he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties, or is Pat Robertson lying?"

McClellan said Bush did meet with Robertson in Nashville before the invasion, as Robertson recounted. But McClellan said Bush always has recognized that war "requires sacrifice" and that there would be American casualties.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Robertson restated his "100 percent" support for Bush's re-election and said he began and ended his CNN interview "with my warm endorsement and praise of President Bush." But he did not back away from his comments.

"I emphatically stated that, 'I believe 'the blessing of heaven is upon him,' and I am persuaded that he will win this election and prevail on the war against terror in order to keep America safe from her avowed enemies," Robertson said.

In his CNN interview, the religious leader described Bush on the eve of the invasion as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now."

"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "

He said that's when the president told him he did not expect casualties from the invasion.


Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him.

-- Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson



In the interview, Robertson also said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

Asked why he thought Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said, "I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed up.' "

Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the president will win the election.

"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.
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Pat Robertson must've pissed Bush off. Which is very odd.
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