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US readers respond to the Guardian's letter writing program....some harsh words for the Brits.

I thought this one was pretty funny

My dear, beloved Brits,
I understand the Guardian is sponsoring a service where British citizens write to Americans to advise them on how to vote. Thank heavens! I was adrift in a sea of confusion and you are my beacon of hope!

Feel free to respond to this email with your advice. Please keep in mind that I am something of an anglophile, so this is not confrontational. Please remember, too, that I am merely an American. That means I am not very bright. It means I have no culture or sense of history. It also means that I am barely literate, so please don't use big, fancy words.

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Originally posted by Jam Master Jay

My dear, beloved Brits,
I understand the Guardian is sponsoring a service where British citizens write to Americans to advise them on how to vote. Thank heavens! I was adrift in a sea of confusion and you are my beacon of hope!

Feel free to respond to this email with your advice. Please keep in mind that I am something of an anglophile, so this is not confrontational. Please remember, too, that I am merely an American. That means I am not very bright. It means I have no culture or sense of history. It also means that I am barely literate, so please don't use big, fancy words.

Set me straight, folks!
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005748

The Myth of 'Squandered Sympathy'
The Myth of 'Squandered Sympathy'
European elites were anti-American long before the liberation of Iraq.

BY JOHN ROSENTHAL
Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

In the past two months, with John Kerry and the Democratic Party attempting to prove the superiority of their credentials to conduct America's foreign policy, we have heard much of the legend of the squandered sympathy. According to this legend, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the U.S. enjoyed the heartfelt sympathy of the world, only to see this capital of goodwill frittered away by the successive faux pas of an inept and arrogant Bush administration and then definitively exhausted by the launching of an illegitimate war on Iraq in defiance of "world public opinion."

The Democratic National Convention in July set the tone. In the absence of much else to say on foreign policy matters, speakers at the convention returned to the theme of the squandered sympathy again and again. Jimmy Carter invoked it:


After 9/11, America stood proud, wounded but determined and united. A cowardly attack on innocent civilians brought us an unprecedented level of cooperation and understanding around the world. But in just 34 months, we have watched with deep concern as all this goodwill has been squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations.
Ted Kennedy alluded to it:

The eyes of the world were on us and the hearts of the world were with us after September 11--until this administration broke that trust. We should have honored, not ignored, the pledges we made. We should have strengthened, not scorned, the alliances that won two World Wars and the Cold War.
And Al Sharpton--the extent of whose expertise in international questions was made painfully clear during the Democratic primary debate in New Hampshire when he was unable to distinguish the Federal Reserve Board from the International Monetary Fund--elaborated upon it in characteristically grandiloquent style:

Look at the current view of our nation worldwide and the results of our unilateral foreign policy. We went from unprecedented international support and solidarity on September 12, 2001, to hostility and hatred as we stand here tonight. How did we squander the opportunity to unite the world for democracy and to commit to a global fight against hunger and disease? We did it with a go-it-alone foreign policy based on flawed intelligence.
In the meanwhile, a group of prominent Democratic foreign-policy notables, including former Clinton national security adviser Anthony Lake and former Gore foreign-policy adviser Leon Fuerth, founded a "527" organization named "Win Back Respect"--echoing the official Kerry/Edwards campaign slogan "Strong at Home, Respected in the World"--with the purpose, in effect, of disseminating the legend through a series of television ads.
The organization's lead ad is titled quite simply "Squandered." It features the testimonial of one Wright Salisbury, identified as the father-in-law of a 9/11 victim, who dutifully rehearses the essentials of the legend. "There was a tremendous amount of sympathy for America and for what we suffered," Mr. Salisbury observes. "George Bush, frankly, has squandered it. I think our friends and allies would be willing to help us in a war on terror, but we've been pushing them away."

Not surprisingly, John Kerry--who is said to count Anthony Lake and Leon Fuerth among his foreign policy advisers--thinks so too. In the first presidential debate, he twice spoke of President Bush having "pushed away" or "pushed aside" real or potential allies.


Now, that America did not enjoy much sympathy, either before or after 9/11, in large sections of the Arab-Islamic world should not require much demonstration. The offensiveness of accusing the Bush administration of "unilateralism" when citizens of coalition allies have been slaughtered in the most brutal fashion as retribution for their countries' participation in the Iraq war and reconstruction effort is also sufficiently obvious to any fair-minded person as not to require particular commentary. The March 11 attack in Spain and the more recent threats against Britain, Italy, Australia, Poland, and Bulgaria make clear that Al-Qaeda and its affiliates understand, even if some Democrats apparently do not, that America has not acted alone.

Moreover, whereas Franco-German diplomatic efforts to win Russia over to the self-styled "Axis of Peace" eventually bore fruit, Russian authorities, unlike their French and German counterparts, have been notably reluctant to question the rationale of the American war effort, and Vladimir Putin himself has offered conspicuous support for the Bush administration's characterizations of the threat the Iraqi regime represented to American interests. When the French, German and Russian foreign ministers held a joint press conference on March 5, 2003, Russia's Igor Ivanov merely indicated that Moscow might use its veto to block a proposed Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq. The threat was not only vague but also otiose, since France's President Jacques Chirac had already announced that France would use its veto to do the same. Indeed, the real prospects for Russian-American cooperation on security matters are no doubt greater today than they have been at any time since the end of World War II.

In short, upon closer inspection, it turns out that "the world" of which the Democrats speak consists, not surprisingly, of just Germany and France and their inner-European satellites such as fractious Belgium and mighty Luxembourg. This makes all the more odd Ted Kennedy's exhortation to the effect that "we should have strengthened, not scorned, the alliances that won two world wars and the Cold War." Has Senator Kennedy forgotten that America fought the two world wars against Germany?

Another ad prepared by Win Back Respect contains a similar howler. Titled "History," it features two World War II veterans, one of whom, Robert O'Kane, notes, "There's a very divided world about why we're in Iraq--not like World War II." When the U.S. entered the Second World War, it did so in coalition with 25 other states, jointly comprising the so-called United Nations (from which the later international organization would take its name). The majority of these, however, consisted either of countries already under German occupation, whose governments-in-exile adhered to the coalition, or small Latin American or Caribbean states, which declared war on Germany and Japan, but never sent troops to any theatre of operations.

By D-Day, the number of formal adherents to the coalition had risen to the mid-30s, but the bulk of the fighting continued to be borne by the U.S., Britain and the Soviet Union. The number of countries currently contributing personnel to coalition forces in Iraq is 31. Even leaving aside the historical details, a world war supposed to unite, rather than divide, the world is an obvious contradiction in terms. The ad ends with the second veteran, Charlie Vaughn, concluding, "I don't think our President has any sense of history." The shoe is evidently on the other foot. It is President Bush's opponent's who do not have any sense of history--or logic, for that matter.

In the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, countless private individuals in Western Europe undoubtedly felt sympathy with the victims and many saw fit to express it in small symbolic acts, such as laying flowers before the American Embassy in Paris. Given the horror of the attacks, such reactions were, so to say, only human. What was more unusual and hence noteworthy, however, was that at the same time the attacks seemed to elicit from the very start a sort of paroxysm of--as an Austrian friend of mine aptly put it--anti-American "ventilating." In the major media, moreover, the expressions of hatred and contempt for America quickly came to eclipse those of sympathy. An especially conspicuous case in point is provided by the influential French daily Le Monde.
This is ironic, since the legend of the squandered sympathy draws much of its inspiration and seeming plausibility from the headline of the front-page editorial that ran in Le Monde the day after the attacks: "We Are All Americans." An article that appeared in the New York Times one year later made allusion to this seemingly well-intended, if rather bizarre, affirmation, only then to note that "the same writer" who coined it, Jean-Marie Colombani, had in the meanwhile ascertained that the solidarity it was supposed to express had been largely dissipated. It even seemed to Mr. Colombani that just a year on "we have all become anti-American." Various factors were offered to explain this remarkable and remarkably universal change of heart, all of which have since gained pride of place in the standard version of the legend. The Bush administration's opposition to the Kyoto Protocol and to the Rome Statute establishing an International Criminal Court were mentioned, for instance--even though both policies were of longstanding and neither in fact represented a substantive departure from the Clinton administration.

Significantly, the mere prospect of an American military intervention in Iraq--President Bush would give his speech before the U.N. General Assembly demanding Iraqi compliance with Security Council resolutions on that very same day, one year and one day after the 9/11 attacks--already figured prominently. Not to be outdone by the news department, some weeks later (Oct. 2, 2002), Thomas Friedman published a column in which he describes putting in a personal call to Alain Frachon, whom MR. Friedman incorrectly identifies as "the senior editor" of Le Monde, in order to find out firsthand "how his paper was viewing America." Confirming his own perspicacity, Mr. Friedman was able to report that solicitude for America was indeed yielding to hostility and that even the "columnist" who penned the "all Americans" article now only considered himself American some of the time. In fact, if Mr. Friedman had stayed on the phone longer or spoken some French, he might have discovered that Jean-Marie Colombani is no mere "columnist" at Le Monde; he is the publisher.

Since attention was first called to it in the Times, the title of Mr. Colombani's post-9/11 editorial has been widely cited in the rest of the American media and on the Internet. Its content, however, has been largely ignored. (The only exceptions of which I am aware are an op-ed I published in Newsday on Sept. 27, 2002, and several articles published by Fouad Ajami the following year.) Thus are legends born. For the solidarity ostentatiously displayed in the title of Mr. Colombani's editorial is in fact massively belied by the details of the text itself.

By the fifth paragraph, Mr. Colombani is offering his general reflections on the geo-political conditions he supposes provoked the attacks:


The reality is surely that of a world without a counterbalance, physically destabilized and thus dangerous in the absence of a multipolar equilibrium. And America, in the solitude of its power, of its hyperpower, . . . has ceased to draw the peoples of the globe to it; or, more exactly, in certain parts of the globe, it seems no longer to attract anything but hatred. . . . And perhaps even we ourselves in Europe, from the Gulf War to the use of F16s against Palestinians by the Israeli Army, have underestimated the hatred which, from the outskirts of Jakarta to those of Durban, by way of the rejoicing crowds of Nablus and of Cairo, is focused on the United States.
The last sentence is grammatically no more coherent in the French original than in English. But it amounted to the first, albeit awkward, suggestion in the French press that America had perhaps merely got what it had coming. In the following paragraph, Mr. Colombani went on to add that perhaps too "the reality" was that America had been "trapped by its own cynicism," noting that Osama bin Laden himself had, after all, been "trained by the CIA"--a never substantiated charge that has, of course, in the meanwhile become chapter and verse for the blame-America-firsters. "Couldn't it be, then," Mr. Colombani concluded, "that America gave birth to this devil?"

For anyone who was a regular reader of Le Monde in the summer of 2001, to find such sentiments expressed in its pages will have come as no surprise. What came as a surprise was to find Jean-Marie Colombani suddenly counting himself, as well apparently as all the French if not indeed all the world, somehow part of a nation that his paper made a habitual practice of vilifying. Indeed, the very expression "the Americans" has long been used in Le Monde as a metonym to speak, for instance, of the American government or American corporations, thus suggesting, given the normally accusatory context, a sort of collective national guilt.
In the weeks leading up to the 9/11 attacks, Le Monde had embarked on a veritable campaign of incitement against the United States, complete with editorial cartoons on an almost daily basis that would not have been out of place in the most rabidly anti-American specimens of the Arab press. The July 2001 Group of Eight meetings in Genoa, Italy, provided the occasion for a front-page offering of dubious taste by the paper's lead cartoonist, Plantu. It shows George W. Bush, protesters in the background, giving orders to seven figures, representing the other participating nations, who are variously depicted as bound, gagged, and blindfolded by American flags or impaled through a variety of orifices upon the flagpoles bearing them. "Tell these kids to stop the violence!" Mr. Bush demands.

An article on the "antiglobalization" movement Attac in the edition of Aug. 28, 2001, was accompanied by a cartoon by Plantu's colleague Serguei. In it, the world is depicted as the body of a living piggy-bank sporting an Uncle Sam hat and a stubbly beard and with a fat cigar embossed by a dollar sign stuck between its teeth. A small dark figure, evidently the dispossessed of the earth, holds out its hand pathetically. Another offering by Serguei from August, this one accompanying an article on Henry Kissinger and Chile, depicts Uncle Sam with a death's head, glowering at a globe dripping in blood. In his right hand, the Uncle Sam figure clutches the cigar with the dollar sign on it: the icon of American cupidity.

The 9/11 attacks did nothing to curb this onslaught. On the contrary, they only seemed to inflect the rising curve of animosity more sharply upward. In the weeks and months that followed, Le Monde would return with mind-numbing regularity to the theme of American guilt in connection with 9/11, typically leaving it to third parties to say openly in its pages what its publisher in his "All Americans" piece had merely insinuated or stated as conjecture.

The authors of these testimonials ranged all the way from "shaken" New-Yorkers--thus Le Monde titled one article, with a certain hint of Schadenfreude, "Shaken, New Yorkers Question Themselves About the Basis of Their Lost Grandeur"--to supposedly "moderate" Islamists. In the former category, for example, "Daniel," identified only as "an artist-painter," was reported to have remarked in conversation with Le Monde's New York correspondent that "It's difficult to say this today, but I think that we were asking for it. New York represents the domination of a center that dictates its laws to other countries" (Le Monde, Sept. 20, 2001).

"Daniel's" words echoed those, cited the day before, of one Nadia Yassine, spokesperson of Morocco's Islamist Justice and Welfare Party and featured subject of a front-page article. "Nadia Yassine," the article explained, "denounces the 'boomerang effect' of American domination. The dead at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are only 'the most recent victims' of an American power, which, 'notably in Palestine,' crushes Muslims. 'Globalization has a face and an address: the United States.' " And so on, mixing--in a journalistic style typical for Le Monde--the author's words and the subject's to create the illusion of a commonsense obviousness from which no right-thinking person could possibly differ: what more critically minded French observers have dubbed la bien-pensance.

Such was the tenor of Le Monde's coverage, in effect, just one week after the attacks. The monotonous drone of denunciations continued as the prospect of a military strike against Afghanistan materialized in the weeks ahead, with distraught "New York Jews," Pashtun warlords and the estranged son of the archetypal all-American "O'Dea" family, all chiming in to register their protest and all sounding surprisingly like "Third Worldist" Parisian intellectuals--or even indeed like the publisher of Le Monde. Among other things, the legend of the squandered sympathy occludes the fact that even while a substantial majority of Europeans polled, including in France and Germany, showed spontaneous understanding for American military actions in Afghanistan, large swaths of Europe's socialist and social-democratic intelligentsia opposed any American military response to the 9/11 attacks whatsoever.
The "boomerang" image went on to become the favored heuristic device of Le Monde and its affiliated publications in their treatment of 9/11. Thus the first issue of the monthly Monde Diplomatique to appear following the events bore the thematic headline "Boomerang Effect." In a pictorial variation on the same theme, a special insert in Le Monde itself featured a cartoon depicting a little wind-up Taliban doll, "Made in USA" emblazoned across its back, carrying red-white-and-blue explosives and circling back toward Uncle Sam.

It was likewise in the pages of Le Monde, and again just one week after the attacks, that the fevered suspicions which would later propel the success of lunatic left bestsellers on both sides of the Atlantic first found their way into print: No, the attacks were not merely a comprehensible, perhaps then even legitimate, response to U.S. domination around the world. The attacks were in fact the work of "the Americans"--the ubiquitous Americans--themselves!

In an op-ed piece titled "I Don't Feel American," Marie-José Mondzain of France's prestigious National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) offered up a delirious brew of truths, half-truths, confusions, and pure fantasies, all seemingly conspiring, by way of some dizzying logical leaps, toward the conclusion that the U.S. government had itself sponsored the hijackers. Here are a few choice extracts:


As in every murder mystery, the question of the investigator is: who profits from the crime? The Palestinians? Certainly not: Sharon is now at last free to do as he wishes. . . . The Afghans crushed by the Taliban? Neither. . . . The poor? The oppressed? Not in the least. . . . No. Those who rise up more arrogant and more powerful than ever are Bush, Putin and Sharon. What a success! . . . Now, let us look a bit closer: here is a country, the most powerful in the world, that will not allow you to enter its territory with a piece of camembert, an unvaccinated dog or a membership card for the Communist Party, not even one which has expired; but where as a citizen of an Arab country and member of a terrorist network, you can enter with a false passport, learn to fly, and obtain light arms without raising the least suspicion. . . . Isn't it odd? These same Arabs are so stupid that they circulate in an airport with light weapons and pilot manuals even two days after the attacks. . . . The CIA and the FBI, the day before yesterday still so helpless, become incredibly efficient. All of this is so unlikely that one cannot avoid posing grave questions.
In this connection as well, the New York Times managed to miss the story, even indeed obscure it, while ostensibly reporting the story. The Times mentioned Ms. Mondzain's piece in an article published on Sept. 22 under the title "In Europe, Some Critics Say the Attacks Stemmed From American Failings." It neglected, however, to note that the gist of Ms. Mondzain's piece was not that the attacks "stemmed from American failings," but that, in effect, America did it. Whether this was the result of mere incompetence or a conscious editorial decision to shield American sensibilities from the extremes of French fury, only the reporter and his editor can know for sure. But it should be noted that the Times piece also misidentifies Ms. Mondzain as the "director" of the CNRS. If she were that, she would be a very powerful and influential person indeed. But Mondzain is in fact a "research director" at the CNRS: "research director" (directeur de recherche) being an honorific title. There are thousands of "research directors" at the CNRS.
Such lapses suggest that the New York Times' reporters lack the requisite linguistic skills or cultural familiarity to report accurately even on a country as generally accessible to Americans as France--a possibility that should give us profound cause to pause concerning the accuracy of their dispatches from more exotic venues. And where real knowledge is lacking, ideological "intuitions" can no doubt be expected to fill the void.

On the whole, the initial response to the attacks in the German media was more subdued and less equivocal than that in the French media. It was notable, however, and a sign of things to come that the German press very quickly and almost universally adopted words invoking retaliation (Vergeltung) or even revenge (Rache) to describe prospective American military action, thus tacitly dismissing in advance the legal justification for such action: security and legitimate defense. Within just a few months, the prestigious German weekly Die Zeit had begun to play much the same role as respectable "ventilator" of anti-American resentments in Germany as Le Monde was playing in France.
President Bush's May 2002 visit to Berlin provided an ideal occasion for such ventilating. Die Zeit chose to mark the occasion by publishing a collection of "open letters" to Bush from German and European notables (May 16, 2002). These included a letter from the performance artist Christoph Schlingensief. "I have played with the idea of quite simply blowing you up at our next meeting," he wrote. Mr. Schlingensief's stock-in-trade are pseudopolitical "provocations" in which the border between satirical send-up and genuine engagement gets hopelessly blurred. Something is apparently being parodied, but it is not clear what, and the seeming parody lacks what is usually deemed an essential element of the genre: humor. But in any case, the alibi of it all being a matter of "art" cannot diminish the enormity of an author being found to contemplate the assassination of the U.S. president in the pages of Germany's most influential weekly paper. Moreover, Mr. Schlingensief's German readership will not have failed to hear in his threat an allusion to the "July 20 Conspirators," who on July 20, 1944, tried precisely to "blow up Hitler" at a meeting of the Wehrmacht general staff.

If the Bush-Hitler comparison was merely implicit in Mr. Schlingensief's "letter," it was entirely open in that of another contributor: the actor Josef Bierbichler, three times the German stage's Actor of the Year. "But time is always metamorphosing into itself," Mr. Bierbichler mused, "Yes. Like money. Or as fascism metamorphoses into civilization and vice-versa--or precisely Hitler into Bush."

Apart from the meanderings of the "artists," the Zeit feature also included ostensibly more systematic reflections on trans-Atlantic relations by the fashionable Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek. Eschewing the "Hitler" allusion for classical mythology, Mr. Zizek made the downright hallucinatory suggestion that America's response to 9/11 amounted to nothing less than a new "rape of Europa." This was apparently supposed to be because "the Europeans" had not been able to prevent the attack on Afghanistan, nor impose "their" solution to the Mideast crisis. "The true political-ideological catastrophe of September 11 is in fact Europe's catastrophe," Mr. Zizek wrote, thus apparently placing European hurt-feelings above the dead and wounded of America, or indeed Afghanistan, in the scale of human calamities. "It is not the resistance of the Third World against American imperialism," he concluded, "but only united Europe that is able to stand up to the world powers, the USA and China. The left should therefore without hesitation make its own the motto of a united Europe as a counterpower to Americanized globalism."

The co-publisher of Die Zeit is, incidentally, Michael Naumann, formerly Minister of Culture in the Schroeder government. From 2001 until June of this year, Mr. Naumann was also co-editor of the paper, which serves as the most prominent mouthpiece in Germany for Social Democratic opinion. (Former chancellor Helmut Schmidt was for many years the publisher of the paper, and he retains the title of co-publisher.)

Given this context, the seemingly off-the-cuff remarks made a few months after Bush's Berlin visit by Herta Dauebler-Gmelin, then Germany's minister of justice, comparing the President's threats of military action against Iraq to the war-mongering of a Hitler, should not have come as any surprise. Following the narrow re-election of his "red-green" coalition, Gerhard Schroeder quickly let it be known that Ms. Dauebler-Gmelin would not form part of his new government. A report in the New York Times obligingly cited unnamed officials of Mr. Schroeder's Social Democratic party claiming that her comments might even have cost them 1% to 2% at the polls. Thus was the premise of fundamental sympathy to be salvaged. In fact, however, given the widespread hostility toward the U.S. that Social Democratic and Green intellectuals had been dutifully stoking in the preceding months, her comments may well have won Mr. Schroeder the election.

Indeed, there is reason to believe that these comments were not so unstudied as has generally been assumed--that, in effect, Ms. Dauebler-Gmelin may have taken one for the team. Michael Hahn was the reporter at the Schwaebische Tagblatt whose article on an Social Democratic Party election rally first made Ms. Dauebler-Gmelin's remarks public. By way of a halfhearted denial, Ms. Dauebler-Gmelin would subsequently say that whatever her exact words were, she "did not mean anything" by them. In an interview with the Berlin weekly Jungle World (Sept. 25, 2002), Mr. Hahn, on the contrary, recalls that she consulted with him twice after the rally--once in the editorial offices of his paper with the editor in chief present--in order to assure that she would be quoted exactly as she wanted.

Most of the examples I have cited here come from the first few months after the 9/11 attacks through the middle of May 2002--i.e., before even the diplomatic mobilization for the Iraq war, let alone the military mobilization, had begun. They are drawn, moreover, from the two newspapers that arguably have the most powerful influence on the formation of "mainstream," ostensibly educated, opinion in France and Germany respectively. They are not drawn from the fringes.
This suggests that there is indeed a relationship between the Bush administration's Iraq policy and rampant anti-Americanism in the Franco-German "core" of Europe. It is not, however, the relationship that is customarily supposed. It was not the nature of President Bush's policy that provoked the anti-American rage; it was rather the daily dosage of anti-American conditioning in the French and German media that predisposed the more susceptible sections of the public to assume nefarious motives behind a policy whose rationale in light of 12 years of Security Council resolutions on Iraq and in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks was reasonably straightforward and obvious.

For someone who imaginatively associated America with death's heads, dollar signs and globes dripping in blood or who believed George W. Bush was the reincarnation of Hitler--a notion that implies, incidentally, that roughly half of the American electorate are Nazis--it was certainly not a great leap to believe that America invaded Iraq to control Iraqi oil rather than to neutralize a security threat. The fact of the matter is that a public systematically nourished on such phantasms was by and large going to oppose Mr. Bush's Iraq policy no matter what.

The conduits by which these European phantasms have in the intervening years managed to infiltrate the political debate in the US as well is a subject deserving attention in its own right.

Mr. Rosenthal writes at trans-int.blogspot.com.
Sorry for the length.
I remember on one hand people being sympathetic and on the other saying the US themselves brought about 9/11 on themselves.
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I remember on one hand people being sympathetic and on the other saying the US themselves brought about 9/11 on themselves.
Not to mention the conspiracy theories of the US did 9/11 themselves started almost immediately too.
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Guardian calls it quits in Clark County fiasco
By David Rennie in Youngstown
(Filed: 22/10/2004)

The Guardian yesterday ran up the white flag and called a halt to "Operation Clark County", the newspaper's ambitious scheme to recruit thousands of readers to persuade American voters in a swing state to kick out President George W Bush in next month's election.

The cancellation of the project came 24 hours after the first of some 14,000 letters from Guardian readers began arriving in Clark County. The missives led to widespread complaints about foreign interference in a US election.

It also prompted a surge of indignant local voters calling the county's Republican party offering to volunteer for Mr Bush.

The paper said it had closed the website where readers collected an address to write to and had abandoned plans to take four "winners" to visit voters in Clark County. Instead, the group would be taken to the "more tranquil" area of Washington.

Albert Scardino, the paper's executive editor for news, simultaneously denied and conceded that an early halt had been called to the project. "It is roaringly, successfully completed. It has been an overwhelming triumph," he said.

He then acknowledged that no more addresses were being distributed, blaming attacks on The Guardian website by Right-wing hackers.

"If we had not had the technical problem of the assault we would have completed the distribution of names in orderly fashion," he said. "We were able to give fewer addresses [of voters in Clark County] than we hoped. There were 14,000 names and addresses sent out. We would like to have made it possible to reach another 42,000 people."

The scheme seemed to backfired from the start as the reactions of the first recipients varied from indifference to anger and even alarm.

The surrender was announced in a lengthy "mea culpa" by Ian Katz, the G2 editor at The Guardian, who dreamed up the scheme.

He began with a lengthy denunciation of the American Right for over-reacting to his scheme, and painted his project as the victim of its own success, after many thousands of readers wrote to Clark County voters.

Further down the piece it became clear that Mr Katz was calling it quits. "Somewhere along the line, though, the good-humoured spirit of the enterprise got lost in translation," he wrote.

There had been mounting evidence that urging foreigners to send anti-Bush letters to Clark County - an isolated slice of the rural mid-West - was only hurting Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate.

One senior local politician, speaking off the record to avoid offending his neighbours, said: "They picked the wrong county for many reasons. One is, we're very parochial. When people talk about The Guardian of London, they think you mean London, Ohio, which is in the next-door county. Another is, we have some issues with literacy round here."

Mr Katz acknowledged that an ever-growing number of Democrats, among them Sharon Manitta, the spokesman in Britain for Democrats Abroad, tried warning The Guardian: "This will certainly garner more votes for George Bush."

Mr Katz wrote yesterday that the paper had considered the possibility, but "we didn't believe it". He insisted: "Folks in Clark County itself have best recognised the spirit of the enterprise. Local media coverage has been consistently fair and good humoured."

"Good-humoured" headlines in the local newspaper, the Springfield News-Sun have included "Butt Out Brits, voters say" and "Trashing letter campaign" - a reference to the fact that the first woman to receive a letter from a Guardian reader, Beverly Coale, threw it away, fearing it was from a terrorist.

Karen Henschen, a member of the executive committee of the Clark County Democratic party, said scrapping the project was "probably the best thing they could do".

The end of the scheme comes as a relief to Linda Rosicka, the director of the Clark County board of elections, who has been fielding dozens of interview requests from the world's media.

Yet there is one last Guardian letter Mrs Rosicka would still like to see - one containing a cheque for $25 (about £13), which the newspaper still owes her for its purchase of the county's electoral roll.

"I was nice and made the file available, because their reporter said he was right on deadline," she said. "They said the cheque is in the mail. As of this morning, it still hasn't arrived, and it's been more than a week."
I'd give it more time since it's coming from overseas, but it's still funny.
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The paper said it had closed the website where readers collected an address to write to and had abandoned plans to take four "winners" to visit voters in Clark County. Instead, the group would be taken to the "more tranquil" area of Washington.
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Well it makes sense that the people of the EU would want Kerry. They want a weak America and know Kerry will comply.
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Lame British Leftists Attempt to Influence Small Ohio Town, Plan Backfires!

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Guardian calls it quits in Clark County fiasco
By David Rennie in Youngstown
(Filed: 22/10/2004)

The Guardian yesterday ran up the white flag and called a halt to "Operation Clark County", the newspaper's ambitious scheme to recruit thousands of readers to persuade American voters in a swing state to kick out President George W Bush in next month's election.


The cancellation of the project came 24 hours after the first of some 14,000 letters from Guardian readers began arriving in Clark County. The missives led to widespread complaints about foreign interference in a US election.

It also prompted a surge of indignant local voters calling the county's Republican party offering to volunteer for Mr Bush.

The paper said it had closed the website where readers collected an address to write to and had abandoned plans to take four "winners" to visit voters in Clark County. Instead, the group would be taken to the "more tranquil" area of Washington.

Albert Scardino, the paper's executive editor for news, simultaneously denied and conceded that an early halt had been called to the project. "It is roaringly, successfully completed. It has been an overwhelming triumph," he said.

He then acknowledged that no more addresses were being distributed, blaming attacks on The Guardian website by Right-wing hackers.

"If we had not had the technical problem of the assault we would have completed the distribution of names in orderly fashion," he said. "We were able to give fewer addresses [of voters in Clark County] than we hoped. There were 14,000 names and addresses sent out. We would like to have made it possible to reach another 42,000 people."

The scheme seemed to backfired from the start as the reactions of the first recipients varied from indifference to anger and even alarm.

The surrender was announced in a lengthy "mea culpa" by Ian Katz, the G2 editor at The Guardian, who dreamed up the scheme.

He began with a lengthy denunciation of the American Right for over-reacting to his scheme, and painted his project as the victim of its own success, after many thousands of readers wrote to Clark County voters.

Further down the piece it became clear that Mr Katz was calling it quits. "Somewhere along the line, though, the good-humoured spirit of the enterprise got lost in translation," he wrote.

There had been mounting evidence that urging foreigners to send anti-Bush letters to Clark County - an isolated slice of the rural mid-West - was only hurting Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate.

One senior local politician, speaking off the record to avoid offending his neighbours, said: "They picked the wrong county for many reasons. One is, we're very parochial. When people talk about The Guardian of London, they think you mean London, Ohio, which is in the next-door county. Another is, we have some issues with literacy round here."

Mr Katz acknowledged that an ever-growing number of Democrats, among them Sharon Manitta, the spokesman in Britain for Democrats Abroad, tried warning The Guardian: "This will certainly garner more votes for George Bush."

Mr Katz wrote yesterday that the paper had considered the possibility, but "we didn't believe it". He insisted: "Folks in Clark County itself have best recognised the spirit of the enterprise. Local media coverage has been consistently fair and good humoured."

"Good-humoured" headlines in the local newspaper, the Springfield News-Sun have included "Butt Out Brits, voters say" and "Trashing letter campaign" - a reference to the fact that the first woman to receive a letter from a Guardian reader, Beverly Coale, threw it away, fearing it was from a terrorist.

Karen Henschen, a member of the executive committee of the Clark County Democratic party, said scrapping the project was "probably the best thing they could do".

The end of the scheme comes as a relief to Linda Rosicka, the director of the Clark County board of elections, who has been fielding dozens of interview requests from the world's media.

Yet there is one last Guardian letter Mrs Rosicka would still like to see - one containing a cheque for $25 (about £13), which the newspaper still owes her for its purchase of the county's electoral roll.

"I was nice and made the file available, because their reporter said he was right on deadline," she said. "They said the cheque is in the mail. As of this morning, it still hasn't arrived, and it's been more than a week."
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A vote for Kerry is a foreign vote.
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Does this really need its own thread?

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Yes, the topic needs it own thread, but since there is one already existing, feel free to merge.
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What? I asked you a mod to merge..I just meant the overall topic needed a threa.
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What? I asked you a mod to merge..I just meant the overall topic needed a threa.
Sure, it needs a thread - this one. That's what <b>nevermind</b> pointed out. I thought you were responding that this follow-up story needed its own thread.



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When the left-leaning British newspaper The Guardian launched a campaign last month to allow its readers to correspond with working-class swing voters in Ohio, it hoped to start a friendly dialogue between foreigners interested in the 2004 presidential campaign and U.S. voters who would decide its outcome.

The project began a conversation, but it didn't have the desired effect.

The letters — many of which criticized the war in Iraq, spoke of fear abroad of U.S. foreign policy and implored recipients to vote President Bush out of office — were attacked as an invasion of privacy and intrusion into U.S. sovereignty. House Speaker Dennis Hastert threatened to take away The Guardian's congressional press privileges. Conservative talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity lambasted the project on the air.

"It fired up our side, not just in Clark County, but across the state," said Jason Mauk, spokesman for the Ohio Republican Party. "We got hundreds of calls from people reporting this to us and asking what they could do. We even heard from wavering American Democrats abroad who told us this helped them make a decision to vote for Bush."

The campaign allowed more than 14,000 Guardian readers to send letters to voters in Clark County (population 145,000) who had not declared their party affiliation when they registered. It was canceled less than 24 hours after the first letters arrived in Ohio.

And on Election Day, Clark was the only one of Ohio's 88 counties — and among only 5% of all 3,113 U.S. counties and independent townships — to turn from Democratic blue in 2000 to Republican red this year.

"Their tactic failed miserably, except maybe as a publicity stunt," Mauk said.

Each Guardian reader who signed up was given the name of a different Clark County voter taken from a list purchased from the local board of elections.

Among the letters and e-mails that deluged the Manchester offices of The Guardian were comments such as these:

• "Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions."

• "We don't need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidential election."

• "If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it."

An Oct. 15 headline in Ohio's Springfield News-Sun read: "Butt out Brits, voters say."

"I found it quite insulting," said Terry Brown, a retiree in Springfield who received a Guardian letter. "I was under the impression we settled the matter of how we vote and who we vote for in 1776."

Rep. Ted Strickland, D-Ohio, called the effort "counterproductive — unusual, at best."

Informed of the Clark County vote totals, Strickland laughed and said: "That's surprising — well, actually, not surprising, but interesting. And, knowing what I know about politics, we can expect to see a concerted effort on the part of political strategists in the next election to pretend to be foreigners writing letters to swing voters in support of the opposing candidate."

State Republican officials reported a surge in call-ins and volunteers in Clark County and across the state in the weeks that followed.

"It wasn't just Clark County," Mauk said. "We noticed a shift in momentum across the other 87 counties."

Ian Katz, the Guardian executive who came up with the idea, said it was "self-aggrandizing" and "silly" to think the project affected the outcome. "But we did get a lot of people talking — in some cases, shouting," he said. Katz wrote in a recent column: "I think I have an idea of how Frankenstein felt. Somewhere along the line, the good-humored spirit of the enterprise got lost in translation."

Philip Gordon, an expert on U.S.-Europe relations at the Brookings Institution, a liberal-leaning think tank in Washington, said the backlash shouldn't diminish efforts to encourage greater dialogue — "especially with so many international issues to contend with in an age of globalization, where so many things abroad affect us and things we do affect others abroad."
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Yeah, that's what it did alright.
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