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Where do you place Bush and Kerry on the political ideological spectrum?

Old 10-15-04, 11:47 AM
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Where do you place Bush and Kerry on the political ideological spectrum?

Using the labels: Very Conservative, Conservative, Slightly Conservative, Moderate, Slightly Liberal, Liberal, and Very Liberal (sorry...I've been spending some time at the americasdebate forums ), where would you place Bush and Kerry?

Here's my chart:

Very Conservative: Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter
Conservative: Bush, Cheney
Slightly Conservative: McCain, The Governator
Moderate: Arlen Specter
Slightly Liberal: Lieberman, Clinton (Bill)
Liberal: Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Clinton (Hilary)
Very Liberal: M.Moore, Nader, Kusinich, Sharpton
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I think that is about right (for those two, at least). I do think Kerry is more liberal than Bush is conservative, but not by some huge amount.
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Is this a world political spectrum or US political spectrum?
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Bush: Moderate

Kerry: Very Liberal
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Originally posted by Groucho
Bush: Moderate

Kerry: Very Liberal
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Bush: Conservative Aggressive

Kerry: Very Liberal Passive
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Originally posted by Red Dog
Is this a world political spectrum or US political spectrum?
If the answer is yes:

World: Bush: Hardliner/stubborn, hegemonic policies.
Kerry: Accommodationist/flip-flopper, liberalism polcies.

US Politics:

Bush: Right.
Kerry: Left.
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Since there hasn't been a reply:

On a scale of 0-10 from left to right

World spectrum:
Bush - 7
Kerry - 6

US spectrum
Bush - 6
Kerry - 4
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Kerry would probably qualify as a conservative in many European countries. Bush would be off the scale somewhere to the right.
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Hey, Red Dog, I replied. Are you on dial up?
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Hey, Red Dog, I replied. Are you on dial up?
I meant from Goldblum.
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Ahnold a conservative? On which of the issures? Leiberman is WAY more conservative than he is. Don't be swayed by party affiliation. And Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are not "conservative". They are entertainers. They cannot be compared to politicians. Same with Michael Moore being a liberal. Theses guys entertain a segment of the population with their views. None of these entertainers has to act on or even be held accountable for their views. Anyway, Bush is pretty conservative. At least he runs that way in the election. Maybe a conservative on your scale. Kerry rates a slightly liberal. Both must be pretty mainstream, or their parties would not have allowed them to run for president.
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Ahnold a conservative? On which of the issures? Leiberman is WAY more conservative than he is. Don't be swayed by party affiliation. And Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are not "conservative". They are entertainers. They cannot be compared to politicians. Same with Michael Moore being a liberal. Theses guys entertain a segment of the population with their views. None of these entertainers has to act on or even be held accountable for their views. Anyway, Bush is pretty conservative. At least he runs that way in the election. Maybe a conservative on your scale. Kerry rates a slightly liberal. Both must be pretty mainstream, or their parties would not have allowed them to run for president.
there you have it
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Bush = moderately conservative (6.5-7.0 on a 9 point scale)
Kerry = moderately liberal (3.5 on a 9 point scale)
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Originally posted by wendersfan
Bush = moderately conservative (6.0 on a 9 point scale)
Kerry = liberal (3.0 on a 9 point scale)

Slight modifications from me.
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Bush would like to be somewhat right of center. However, he has clearly governed as a centrist - actually spent money like a raving liberal.

Kerry (on a scale of 1-10) is an 8.

I'm assuming we're using the American criteria for liberalism & conservatism - not the European criteria.

IMO, Kerry is clearly more liberal than Bush is conservative.
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Originally posted by classicman2
Bush ... has clearly governed as a centrist

Kerry is clearly more liberal than Bush is conservative.

I don't think that either of those things is clear.
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Bush: Neutral
Kerry: Chaotic Evil
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Originally posted by Captain Pike
I don't think that either of those things is clear.
Look at the legislative record.

We've discussed this at least 25 times.
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Originally posted by classicman2
Look at the legislative record.

We've discussed this at least 25 times.
I haven't discussed it 25 times. I'm aware of the legislative record of both candidates and I disagree with your assessment.
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Old 10-15-04, 03:49 PM
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Bush's position on major legislation that affects millions of people has been a centrist position.

1. Taxes - across-the-board cuts is a centrist position. It's not the position I prefer, but it's still a centrist position.

2. Education - signed what was basically the Kennedy-Miller education bill - both liberal Democrats. The conservative position is not to support federal money for edcuation. Most conservatives want to eliminate the Department of Education.

3. He's spent money far far more like a liberal than he has a conservative. That's hardly a conservative trait.

4. He signed the campaign finance bill - a bill that was the darling of the liberals and the Washington beltway. Conservatives, as a whole, opposed the bill.

5. He pushed through a Medicare drug bill that was hardly conservative in nature. There was a near revolt in the house by some Republicans over this.

6. He signed what was, in effect, the Tom Harkin farm bill.

7. He has followed basically the same interventionist foreign policy that has been followed for decades by presidents.

How many bills has George W. Bush vetoed?
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On the above scale I'd put:

Bush at about 60 economic freedom, 40 personal freedom.

Kerry at about 40 economic freedom, 60 personal freedom.
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Originally posted by classicman2
Bush's position on...
You're actually arguing that Bush is NOT a conservative? I don't suppose that you've considered the idea that what constitutes a modern conservative doesn't exactly match the definition from thirty years ago?
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Old 10-15-04, 04:09 PM
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Hey all. I meant the US spectrum, but the World Spectrum is much more interesting. And Bush is not nearly as conservative as his peers (I almost considered putting him in the "slightly" collumn). He (1) spends like a liberal and (2) has extremely lax immigration policies. Of course, he does have many conservative positions as well.
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