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Elizabeth Edwards suggests Mrs. Cheney is ashamed of her daughter

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Lynne Cheney denounces Kerry for citing gay daughter; Elizabeth Edwards asks if she feels 'shame'

Lynne Cheney accused Sen. John Kerry of pulling a "cheap and tawdry political trick" after he discussed her daughter's sexuality in his debate with President Bush. In response, Elizabeth Edwards suggested Mrs. Cheney might feel "a certain degree of shame" because her daughter is a lesbian.

The Cheneys have two daughters. Mary Cheney is openly gay and an official in the Bush-Cheney campaign. Vice President Dick Cheney has spoken at length about his daughter's sexuality and his view of gay relationships, even disagreeing with the president about the need for a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriages.

Asked Wednesday night by debate moderator Bob Schieffer whether homosexuality is a choice, Kerry said: "We're all God's children, Bob, and I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was. She's being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not a choice."

When Mrs. Cheney introduced her husband to a supportive crowd of 800 after a debate-watching party in the Pittsburgh suburb of Coraopolis, she made clear she thought Kerry had crossed a line into family privacy.

"Now, you know, I did have a chance to assess John Kerry once more and now the only thing I could conclude: This is not a good man," she said. "Of course, I am speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick."
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...9918710.htm?1c
Cheneys angry and indignant over Kerry remarks about gay daughter

VICKIE CHACHERE

Associated Press

FORT MYERS, Fla. - Vice President Dick Cheney called himself "a pretty angry father" on Thursday after Sen. John Kerry mentioned their gay daughter during the final presidential debate - comments Kerry said were meant to be positive about families with gay children.

The vice president's wife, Lynne Cheney, called Kerry "not a good man" and his remarks about daughter Mary Cheney "a cheap and tawdry political trick." Meanwhile, Elizabeth Edwards, the wife of vice presidential candidate John Edwards, suggested in a radio interview that Mrs. Cheney might feel "a certain degree of shame" because her daughter is a lesbian.
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Personally, I don't think either kerry or edwards should have brought her up during the debates, just as I don't think bush or cheney should bring up any of kerry's or edwards' kids
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Old 10-14-04, 06:59 PM
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I don't think 'shame' has anything to do with it. I think the Cheney's resent their daughter being used for political purposes by an opposing party.

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using the opponent's kids is a cheap trick
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Originally posted by Birrman54
I don't think 'shame' has anything to do with it. I think the Cheney's resent their daughter being used for political purposes by an opposing party.

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Well I have mixed emotions about this. On one hand it seems pretty low to bring up ones kids, but on another I think the Bush administration put this issue on the table with their constitutional amendment stance. It almost seems as if they put his daughter out there for the dems as a topic. Further more, I didn't see any place where he was really disrespectful of her (other than possibly not willing to endorse a marriage or union). So it does make me wonder if this isn't more about the Cheney's embarrassment of their daughter not for their daughter.
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the administration made gay issues a topic of the election, but not Mary Cheney specifically.
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Originally posted by mikehunt
the administration made gay issues a topic of the election, but not Mary Cheney specifically.

Correct, but I think there are a pretty good number of people out there who don't have any friends or family members that are gay, and I can see where it would be benefitial to remind those same people that even poeple like the Cheney's aren't immune to having someone Gay in their family. Maybe if Dick talked about her more, it would have been a non-issue. Maybe if more us all were a little more tolerant it wouldn't even have been a question.
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I thought the mentioning of Cheney's daughter was the low point for Kerry/Edwards in the two debates and I'm voting for them. They just seemed to exude a sleazy lawyer quality when they made those statements. Shockingly I think Kerry did this even worse than Edwards. Watching it last night I thought "Cheney must be ready to explode right now... somebody is gonna get invaded!"
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Originally posted by Venusian
using the opponent's kids is a cheap trick
What? She's thirty-five years old. She works for the campaign (she's "Director of Vice Presidential Operations"). How the hell is it a "trick" to answer a question about whether sexual orientation is a choice by saying, essentially, "Why would a child of an unreconstructed homophobe like Lynne Cheney choose to be gay?"
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What? She's thirty-five years old. She works for the campaign (she's "Director of Vice Presidential Operations"). How the hell is it a "trick" to answer a question about whether sexual orientation is a choice by saying, essentially, "Why would a child of an unreconstructed homophobe like Lynne Cheney choose to be gay?"

Wow, I didn't realize she worked for the campaign. All bets are off.
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Wow, I didn't realize she worked for the campaign. All bets are off.
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Well, you didn't really think Democrats respect gay people, did you? They are just pawns in the almighty quest for power. Hence, the remarks. Obviously, Mrs. Edwards thinks gay people are shameful, or she wouldn't have said something like this.

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Maybe if Dick talked about her more, it would have been a non-issue.
i dont think dick should have to talk about her, just like kerry doesnt have to talk about his daughters....if he DID talk about her more, then it might be okay for kerry to mention her
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What? She's thirty-five years old. She works for the campaign (she's "Director of Vice Presidential Operations"). How the hell is it a "trick" to answer a question about whether sexual orientation is a choice by saying, essentially, "Why would a child of an unreconstructed homophobe like Lynne Cheney choose to be gay?"
you don't think he was using it as a political ploy?
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Does Mrs. Edwards feel a "certain degree of shame" that her husband is an ambulance chasing sleazoid? Perhaps one of the "impartial" "journalists" covering the campaign can ask her.
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you don't think he was using it as a political ploy?
How?
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I think this whole story today is just politics. Remember how well Edwards / Cheney handled this in the VP debate?

What Kerry said was with total respect and defending her. But also strickly for political reasons.

Why is Lynne Cheney mad about this but not about the VP debate? Because of politics.

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Let just get them together and let them have at it
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Originally posted by bfrank


Let just get them together and let them have at it
that is not the ***** fight I expected to see
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Originally posted by dork
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you don't think kerry could have come up with another example?
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Why didn't the Cheny's attack Alan Keyes this way?
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Originally posted by bfrank
I think this whole story today is just politics. Remember how well Edwards / Cheney handled this in the VP debate?

What Kerry said was with total respect and defending her. But also strickly for political reasons.

Why is Lynne Cheney mad about this but not about the VP debate? Because of politics.

They all suck!

No, it is not because of politics. It was obvious that Mr. Cheney was pissed off in his debate, but he chose to let it go. The second time, especially considering he was not even directly involved, was too much for he and his family to take. It has nothing to do with politics, though the complete slimeball motive for Kerry saying it was all about politics, sleaze politics at its worst.

There is no current political figure that I hold in lesser regard than Kerry, none. Not even Senator Daschle. Disgusting.






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Using it as a politial tool by showing proving to two different segments of the electorate that they shouldn't vote for Bush-Cheney. First, showing the Religious Right that the Cheneys have a homosexual child, and even love and accept her. Why should they, in the mind of the Kerry camp, vote for such a candidate? Secondly, showing devout religious Democratic voters who are against gay marriage that the Bush-Cheney ticket is not a proper alternative for their vote.

Sickening.

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Why didn't the Cheny's attack Alan Keyes this way?


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Originally posted by bhk
Does Mrs. Edwards feel a "certain degree of shame" that her husband is an ambulance chasing sleazoid? Perhaps one of the "impartial" "journalists" covering the campaign can ask her.

Do you think the slimeball gave any of the money back that he won from the cases that are no proven to have used false junk science? I'd like to know that.
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