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View Poll Results: Your thoughts on a Minimum Wage hike?
Yes! Raise the minimum wage - it's too low for folks to get by on.
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No - Keep it as it is now. Raising the minimum wage costs jobs.
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Not sure. There are good and bad to both options.
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I don't care about this at all.
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Eliminate it. [Mod edit]
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Minimum Wage

Old 10-14-04, 11:06 AM
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Where is the 'Eliminate It' option?
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Where is the 'Eliminate It' option?
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Originally posted by Red Dog
Where is the 'Eliminate It' option?
My choice as well, but since it's never going to happen I didn't bother putting it.
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Minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage IMHO.
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It shouldn't be legislated, it should be determined in the market place, like any other "price."
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if anyone is for a higher minimum wage and better social practices by businesses then you need to put your money where your mouth is and shop in those places that practice these ideals.
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Originally posted by General Zod
My choice as well, but since it's never going to happen I didn't bother putting it.
Maybe, but now I have nothing to vote for.
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It shouldn't be legislated, it should be determined in the market place, like any other "price."
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I say leave it that way.... most people working on Min Wage dont know how to save money..... but instead spend it on non essential things..... Not to mention not try to further themselves
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Originally posted by movielib
Maybe, but now I have nothing to vote for.
I know, it sucks being a libertarian sometimes.
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Eliminate it.
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It shouldn't be legislated, it should be determined in the market place, like any other "price."
Your statement ignores the fact that the U.S. doesn't control its borders, which has allowed hordes of illegal aliens from poor countries to swamp the labor market, putting strong downward pressure on wages for lower-skill work.
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Eliminate it.
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Keep it as it is now.
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OldDude,

The market place has a natural prejudice to pay individuals as low as they can. Simple evidence is by companies outsourcing overseas. They don't go over there because they want to feel the love of Chinese or Taiwanese men and women. They go over because they can get away with rules that you can't find in the US, such as guaranteeing a minimum wage--however small it may be--and workplace conditions, insurance, etc.

No legislation of minimum wage would result in workplaces like those found at the end of the 18th century and beginning of the 19th century.

It's in the government's best interest to make a wage that you can just barely get by. In this way, you don't feel like starting a revolution or committing acts of domestic terrorism against your fellow employer, but you feel like there is hope--hope that you can make money like others do. The facts are, not everyone can make $30,000 a year--the market place does not permit it. Hope is what keeps the US reasonably civil. Once that hope has been removed, you have a revolution.

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Originally posted by DivxGuy
Your statement ignores the fact that the U.S. doesn't control its borders, which has allowed hordes of illegal aliens from poor countries to swamp the labor market, putting strong downward pressure on wages for lower-skill work.
I don't think his statement ignores anything. Illegal workers would also be a force in that ideal marketplace.
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Originally posted by nemein
Minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage IMHO.
Oh shit nemein, you and I agree. My first thoughts when I hear about people wanting to raise the min wage go to the clerks at the vid store, popcorn punk at the movies, shake skater at sonic, etc. You shouldn't be thinking "career" when you look at these jobs.
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exactly......i agree too
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No legislation of minimum wage would result in workplaces like those found at the end of the 18th century and beginning of the 19th century.
That is a faulty arguement. Things like child labor and 12 hour work days aren't characteristic of lack of minimum wage. They are characteristics of agricultural economies and new industrial economies which inherit them.
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and I agree with raven, who agrees with Contact, who agrees with nemein.

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But you forget that society is becoming one big large servicing industry, which is where many Americans are finding themselves.

If America is becoming more service orientated, where do you think the majority of jobs are going to go?

I don't see only teenagers working in retail shops anymore. We have a vast variety of people. Why? Because there are not enough "living-wage" jobs to support everyone. You won't see economists or reports telling you this.
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I said raise it. It should be equal to $50,000 a year.
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I said raise it. It should be equal to $50,000 a year.
You want to pay $13 for a can of Diet Coke, don't you?
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Originally posted by OldDude
It shouldn't be legislated, it should be determined in the market place, like any other "price."
While I don't think it should be higher, I do question what the operational definition of "marketplace" is. I am more than a little concerned that even our skilled or education-required positions are increasingly being farmed out to an everwidening marketplace willing to work for much less than what we would expect. This was one question in last nights debate that I wasn't real satisfied with Bush's answer.
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