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Old 10-13-04, 09:42 AM
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Why conservatives shouldn't vote for Bush

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...index_np1.html

Much too long to post, but an interesting editorial for those with an open mind. Certainly Salon is a left-wing rag, but the author is a legitimate conservative AFAIK as the words Cato, Heritage, and Reagan pop up on his bio.

Edit: Actually, it would appear that he is a libertarian...which is mostly compatible with conservative except for the moralizing.

Whatever, it's a good read.

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I'm not a conservative, but any conservative living in a swing state should vote for Bush, instead of sending their vote towards a third party candidate that's not going to win.

Bush obviously represents conservatives more than Kerry, who would clearly benefit from the above scenario.

If you're a conservative voting in a non-swing state, then I don't see a problem with "sending a message" by voting for a candidate that you feel is better than Bush.
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Old 10-13-04, 09:46 AM
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Like....oh, I dunno...say...UTAH, for instance?

The author actually makes a fairly compelling case that a divided govt does lend itself to conservative principles.
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I don't see how any conservative in their right mind would vote for Bush.....if it is a race btwn him and a true conservative.


This article doesn't say anything we don't already know. We know that Bush and the Republicans are spending money like druken sailors (almost as drunk as liberals) and are hardly the fiscal conservatives they claim to be. In fact, a reasonable argument can be made that Bill Clinton is closer to fiscal conservatism than Bush is.

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Originally posted by chess
Like....oh, I dunno...say...UTAH, for instance?
Yep. I have the pleasure of voting for whomever I please. This year, I think I'll write in Ann Coulter (Pres) and Jesse Jackson (VP).
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I don't see how any conservative in their right mind would vote for Bush.....if it is a race btwn him and a true conservative.
Very true. This race isn't Bush against a conservative, it's Bush against Kerry.

If it were, I wouldn't be voting for Bush either.
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Yep. And currently, I am not fond of Kerry, so lookey who I'm voting for.
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Just as no true liberal should vote for Mr. Kerry.

Well, at least based upon what he has said lately, including all of his hawkish neoconservative foreign policy ideas.
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oh man.....
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Originally posted by Pharoh
Well, at least based upon what he has said lately, including all of his hawkish neoconservative foreign policy ideas.
And middle-class tax cuts!
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Originally posted by Red Dog
In fact, a reasonable argument can be made that Bill Clinton is closer to fiscal conservatism than Bush is.
A reasonable argument? Are you serious?

This isn't even up for debate.

Clinton was truly a fiscal conservative and mostly a social liberal...or pretty much the opposite of Bush...and I sure do miss him.
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Originally posted by Groucho
Yep. I have the pleasure of voting for whomever I please. This year, I think I'll write in Ann Coulter (Pres) and Jesse Jackson (VP).
In states which are clearly "red" wouldn't it make sense to have a serious effort to get behind some serious conservative and get a protest vote of a few percent for someone who could actually be run in 2008 to "send a message?"

The RNC aren't the sharpest tacks out there and the Coulter/Jackson ticket would just confuse them and be ignored. If everybody picks their own "crazy candidates" the meaning will be lost.

I certainly agree with the point Bush isn't much of a conservative but he is more of one than Kerry. Kerry scares me. I'd vote for Satan over Kerry.
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A reasonable argument? Are you serious?

This isn't even up for debate.

Clinton was truly a fiscal conservative and mostly a social liberal...or pretty much the opposite of Bush...and I sure do miss him.

Clinton was no fiscal conservative. Well, maybe to a liberal he was. He was fiscal moderate.
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Liberals shouldn't vote for Kerry because he voted for the war in Iraq. Middle class tax cuts. He is for widening the Iraq war by trying to get more countries to cooperate. He is not going to repeal welfare reform.


Bush against any dem(except perhaps Zell) Bush gets my vote.
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Liberals shouldn't vote for Kerry because he voted for the war in Iraq. Middle class tax cuts. He is for widening the Iraq war by trying to get more countries to cooperate. He is not going to repeal welfare reform.

Good analogy. I doubt salon will be publishing your article though.
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I wouldn't want to be published by such a two-bit organization. More people will read it here.
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President Zell?

shudder.
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Originally posted by Pharoh
Just as no true liberal should vote for Mr. Kerry.
Hell, if that's true, no true liberal should have voted for a Dem. nominee since Kennedy.
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Hell, if that's true, no true liberal should have voted for a Dem. nominee since Kennedy.

You forgot Mondale.



edit: and McGovern.


Notice a pattern?
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Originally posted by Red Dog
You forgot Mondale.



edit: and McGovern.


Notice a pattern?
Clever, but not quite. The point I was making was that after Vietnam, the words 'liberal' and 'Left' became virtually indistinguishable.

To reiterate my point, 'liberal' used to be viewed as a good word, but no longer is. Kerry proves this when he refuses to be labeled as one.
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Originally posted by Geofferson


To reiterate my point, 'liberal' used to be viewed as a good word, but no longer is. Kerry proves this when he refuses to be labeled as one.

Well that's common knowledge. I'm just saying that the liberals were represented by one of their own in '72 and '84.
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So it's an article written by left-wingers, intended for right-wingers, that will be read solely by left-wingers?

I think I have better things to do with my time.

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I'd vote for Satan over Kerry.
I thought Cheney was Satan... oh wait, I guess that kind of works out. Nevermind.
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
So it's an article written by left-wingers, intended for right-wingers, that will be read solely by left-wingers?
Almost certainly. It's not like Salon has any credibility to begin with, but this is obviously a transparent attempt to aid in a Kerry victory. The editors there would be willing to do almost anything to get Bush out of office.
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