Dole Hits Kerry for War Comments
08-23-04, 08:37 AM
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Dole Hits Kerry for War Comments
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CRAWFORD, Texas — Former Republican Sen. Bob Dole suggested Sunday that John Kerry apologize for past testimony before Congress about alleged atrocities during the Vietnam War and joined critics of the Democratic presidential candidate who say he received an early exit from combat for "superficial wounds."
Dole also called on Kerry to release all the records of his service in Vietnam.
Dole told CNN's "Late Edition" that he warned Kerry months ago about going "too far" and that the Democrat may have himself to blame for the current situation, in which polls show him losing support among veterans.
"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran. "Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm.
Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."
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CRAWFORD, Texas — Former Republican Sen. Bob Dole suggested Sunday that John Kerry apologize for past testimony before Congress about alleged atrocities during the Vietnam War and joined critics of the Democratic presidential candidate who say he received an early exit from combat for "superficial wounds."
Dole also called on Kerry to release all the records of his service in Vietnam.
Dole told CNN's "Late Edition" that he warned Kerry months ago about going "too far" and that the Democrat may have himself to blame for the current situation, in which polls show him losing support among veterans.
"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran. "Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm.
Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."
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08-23-04, 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
08-23-04, 09:11 AM
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"And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."
One word, Dole. ASSHAT.
08-23-04, 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
Also, Dole wasn't on Kerry's boat so he isn't qualified.
08-23-04, 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by CRM114
If you have shrapnel in your leg, wouldn't it have caused a wound to get in there? Wouldn't this logically cause a person to bleed?
One word, Dole. ASSHAT.
If you have shrapnel in your leg, wouldn't it have caused a wound to get in there? Wouldn't this logically cause a person to bleed?
One word, Dole. ASSHAT.
Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that Kerry either violated the military law (UCMJ) or that he's lying about what he claimed to have saw. Wouldn't you agree?
08-23-04, 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by classicman2
One simple question: If Kerry saw these atrocities being committed, why didn't he report them? It was his obligation (duty) to do so under the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.
One simple question: If Kerry saw these atrocities being committed, why didn't he report them? It was his obligation (duty) to do so under the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.
Dude. He was there for only four months. You can't expect him to fill out all that paperwork for his medals AND the paperwork required to report atrocities.
08-23-04, 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by classicman2
One simple question: If Kerry saw these atrocities being committed, why didn't he report them? It was his obligation (duty) to do so under the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.
Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that Kerry either violated the military law (UCMJ) or that he's lying about what he claimed to have saw. Wouldn't you agree?
One simple question: If Kerry saw these atrocities being committed, why didn't he report them? It was his obligation (duty) to do so under the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.
Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that Kerry either violated the military law (UCMJ) or that he's lying about what he claimed to have saw. Wouldn't you agree?
<b>I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, <u>we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia</u>, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
<u>They told the stories</u> at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.</b>
He did not say that he had personally witnessed these events.
08-23-04, 09:46 AM
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Dole is VERY OLD. Rove and others got to him. Imagine your grandpa in his 80s. Mine said crazy things, but there was no camera. Dole said that Kerry received "2 purple hearts on the same day".
That isn't true at all and shows how far off Dole is off on this one. You must know the facts before you begin to criticize.
That isn't true at all and shows how far off Dole is off on this one. You must know the facts before you begin to criticize.
08-23-04, 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
The ABB crowd will have a hard time saying Dole isn't qualified to hold this opinion.
08-23-04, 09:59 AM
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April 18, 1971
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
08-23-04, 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Bandomini
Dude. He was there for only four months. You can't expect him to fill out all that paperwork for his medals AND the paperwork required to report atrocities.
Dude. He was there for only four months. You can't expect him to fill out all that paperwork for his medals AND the paperwork required to report atrocities.
08-23-04, 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by johnglad
Dole is VERY OLD. Rove and others got to him. Imagine your grandpa in his 80s. Mine said crazy things, but there was no camera. Dole said that Kerry received "2 purple hearts on the same day".
That isn't true at all and shows how far off Dole is off on this one. You must know the facts before you begin to criticize.
Dole is VERY OLD. Rove and others got to him. Imagine your grandpa in his 80s. Mine said crazy things, but there was no camera. Dole said that Kerry received "2 purple hearts on the same day".
That isn't true at all and shows how far off Dole is off on this one. You must know the facts before you begin to criticize.
08-23-04, 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Bandomini
Dude. He was there for only four months. You can't expect him to fill out all that paperwork for his medals AND the paperwork required to report atrocities.
Dude. He was there for only four months. You can't expect him to fill out all that paperwork for his medals AND the paperwork required to report atrocities.
Anyhow: Is it the end of November yet? [/wishful thinking]
08-23-04, 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by tcoursen
Well Dole didn't go to Vietnam so he isn't qualified to judge Kerry.
Also, Dole wasn't on Kerry's boat so he isn't qualified.
Well Dole didn't go to Vietnam so he isn't qualified to judge Kerry.
Also, Dole wasn't on Kerry's boat so he isn't qualified.
08-23-04, 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by CRM114
If you have shrapnel in your leg, wouldn't it have caused a wound to get in there? Wouldn't this logically cause a person to bleed?
One word, Dole. ASSHAT.
If you have shrapnel in your leg, wouldn't it have caused a wound to get in there? Wouldn't this logically cause a person to bleed?
One word, Dole. ASSHAT.
But I am quite sure you and I both know that the release of these records would do Kerry nothing but harm
08-23-04, 10:17 AM
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Re: Dole Hits Kerry for War Comments
Originally posted by classicman2
"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran. "
"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran. "
08-23-04, 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by JasonF
And the Bush Above All crowd will sprain their shoulders patting themselves on the back.
And the Bush Above All crowd will sprain their shoulders patting themselves on the back.
You wouldn't be implying anthing here, would you?
08-23-04, 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Numanoid
Somebody really needs to fill Dole in on the timeline.
Somebody really needs to fill Dole in on the timeline.
08-23-04, 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by bcbaum
Bush Above All = BAA
You wouldn't be implying anthing here, would you?
Bush Above All = BAA
You wouldn't be implying anthing here, would you?
The right came up with a dismissive acronym for the people who want to get Bush out of office. I thought it was time the left had a similar and equally dismissive acronym for the people who refuse to find any fault in Bush or the current administration. I'm hoping it catches on.
08-23-04, 10:31 AM
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The right came up with a dismissive acronym for the people who want to get Bush out of office.
08-23-04, 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by OldDude
I thought it was how Deaners decided Kerry was <s>acceptable</s> barely tolerable if Dean couldn't get the nomination.
I thought it was how Deaners decided Kerry was <s>acceptable</s> barely tolerable if Dean couldn't get the nomination.
