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Leftovers: Who owns them? Is there a box fee? And more!

Old 12-15-21, 06:26 PM
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I guess what Dooku is doing is either being charitable*, regularly buying 2 meals for himself in order to 'share', or is providing a meal in consideration for a service rendered - in this case, providing him company (this would need to be an explicit understanding between the two parties beforehand in order for the legal claim to work, I think). Best case scenario, Dooku's guests are escorts.

The inability to come out and say "when I buy someone dinner, I am buying it for them" is the tell.

*I'd like to see a charity prohibit people from retaining their leftovers. I wonder if Meals On Wheels goes around afterwards saying "Give me that back! That's not yours!"
When I buy someone dinner, I am buying it for them to eat right then and there in my presence.

What does that tell you?
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That you're essentially hiring them as entertainment?
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I presented a scenario where the giver gave the giftee the gift of a meal, and Kurt said the giftee was taking advantage of the giver. So, I'll just wait for an explanation of that. Especially since people have jumped back in to insist that gift-giving is unconditional.
Well, I did address that, but you didn't quote those parts.
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When I buy someone dinner, I am buying it for them to eat right then and there in my presence.

What does that tell you?
That you're probably single.
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That you're essentially hiring them as entertainment?
"Chew with your mouth open! I wanna make sure you swallow every bite and don't sneak any of it away from the table to eat OUT OF MY SIGHT!"
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku View Post
Well, I did not think it was weird that the guy took his expensive meat home for his family, and the host didn't either. It was really fucking generous of that guy to bring it to begin with.

Etiquette is a social construct, created by the wealthy to enforce a code that helps maintain the class system.
I mean sirloin isnít exactly an expensive cut of meat. Itís like the RC Cola of beef.
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That you're probably single.

Yeah, I asked him if he had a GF or wife and the questions was ignored, so that's a fucking no.
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Originally Posted by Kurt D View Post
I thought this should be carried over from the Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 11 Thread:

If you take a friend out for dinner, your treat, do you own any leftovers your friend might have - left over? Do you get to say whether they can take the leftovers home or not?

My opinion: no. What, are you high?

What do other Otters think?
this does seem like a Curb kind of question. And just like most of these questions in Curb itís clear what the answer is. The leftovers belong to the person you bought the meal for.
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I can't even read this thread anymore. It's like people don't understand what "gift" means! You know that exacerbated Jackie Chan meme? That's me every time I notice this thread gets bumped!
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I can't even read this thread anymore. It's like people don't understand what "gift" means! You know that exacerbated Jackie Chan meme? That's me every time I notice this thread gets bumped!
This is one of those threads that prompted me to ask if the forum supported an 'ignore thread' option. Unfortunately, it does not.
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Old 12-16-21, 12:43 AM
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I can't even read this thread anymore. It's like people don't understand what "gift" means! You know that exacerbated Jackie Chan meme? That's me every time I notice this thread gets bumped!
Originally Posted by andicus View Post
This is one of those threads that prompted me to ask if the forum supported an 'ignore thread' option. Unfortunately, it does not.


I did have an exacerbated Jackie Chan once, but aspirin took care of it.

But seriously though, I should have given up weeks ago. The dissenter doesn't understand what he is doing isn't 'buying someone dinner' but rooking his guest into a perverted form of gustatory indentured servitude.

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I did have an exacerbated Jackie Chan once, but aspirin took care of it.
The Count exacerbated Jackie's exasperation until his head exploded. Weals on Meals.
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The Count exacerbated Jackie's exasperation until his head exploded. Weals on Meals.
I have the steelbook of that one!
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That you're probably single.
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
Yeah, I asked him if he had a GF or wife and the questions was ignored, so that's a fucking no.
I don't know what my personal life has to do with any of this, so why would I acknowledge the question.

If a lawyer was defending an accused rapist in court, would the prosecutor start bringing of the defense attorney's personal life?

At this point, are some of you still confused about the fact that the buyer attempting to take possession of the leftovers is hypothetical situation?
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Originally Posted by Toddarino View Post
I mean sirloin isnít exactly an expensive cut of meat. Itís like the RC Cola of beef.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. These steaks were about $20 each and he brought at least 15 of them.

Showing up at a party, where people were told they did not have to bring any food, with $300 worth of meat seemed pretty fucking nice to me. I brought a $10 tray of cupcakes.
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Originally Posted by clckworang View Post
Well, I did address that, but you didn't quote those parts.
I don't see that.
There are multiple people posting things at me, and I try to answer what they say to me specifically.

If you are replying to something I posted, you're gonna have to quote that, and direct comments back to the quote, if you don't manage to make the very next post.

I directed a comment to Norm DePlume, which Kurt D answered, then I directed a question to Kurt D, which never got answered. Then there's at least two other distinct conversations taking place about side topics.
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I can't even read this thread anymore. It's like people don't understand what "gift" means! You know that exacerbated Jackie Chan meme? That's me every time I notice this thread gets bumped!
Maybe the solution is for people to stop talking about how buying someone a meal is giving them a gift, since I've already posted over and over and over that I reject that characterization.

I really think that I lay out very clear arguments that people ignore because they think telling me I'm awful and foolish is going to change my mind.

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It's Sunday. The holiday weeks are coming up. I'm waiting for paint to dry, so I'll try this one more time.

You, whoever you are, go to dinner with someone; it doesn't matter who they are or why you are eating together or what anybody orders. They say they are paying: "Order whatever you want, it's on me."
At the end of the meal, before the bill has been paid, they tell the server to wrap up all the leftovers for them to take home.

Now, for the purpose of this hypothetical, it doesn't matter what the leftovers are, it just matters that they are SOMETHING YOU WANT.

You say, "You want to take my leftovers?"
They say, "Yes."
You say, "WTF?"
They say, I'm paying for everything, whatever is leftover is mine if I want it."

Do you let them take all the leftovers, despite your absolute confusion about why anyone would do this, or do you argue?

If you let them take the food you have considered your possession and that you absolutely wanted to have, then aren't you on some level conceding that they have a point?

But let's say you are everybody but me in this thread, and you decide to argue: "I'm not letting you take my leftovers. They are mine and I want them."
They say, "Fine, then pay for your own meal."

Do you pay for your own meal so you can take your leftovers, or do you give in?

If you decide to pay for your own meal, then aren't you also then acknowledging the idea that the food belongs to who pays for it?
And if you give in, aren't you also on some level conceding their point?

You have all been arguing the principled stand that the food is yours, even if the other person pays for it. How do you make that happen?
If they won't pay for your meal, if they don't get the leftovers, how are you actually asserting that the food belongs to you even if you aren't paying for it.

Because it seems to me that the food is going to end up with the person who pays for it.

You all claim that the leftovers are yours by the rules of gift-giving, by the rules of etiquette, by the rules of Hoyle, but are you going to manage to actually walk out with the food if you don't pay for it? Which again would just prove my point.

Thank you. I really hope this wins Kurt the TOTY.
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Do you let them take all the leftovers, despite your absolute confusion about why anyone would do this, or do you argue?
Sorry, but this scenario is missing one piece: motivation. Why is this person paying the other person's meal? You reject the characterization that it's a gift. Okay, then why? What possibly motivates someone to buy the other person a meal? Or at least, why in your hypothetical scenario? Add why.
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In scenario 1. I would let them have the leftovers, because it's not worth arguing with someone about something so ridiculous. This does not mean I'm conceding the point, just taking the high road. There's a difference. Going forward, I explain to that person that if we go out to eat together, we will always pay our own freight. If they ask why, I'll give them a knowing nod.

In scenario 2. I would go ahead and pay for my own meal for the same reasons. If the server asked why, I'd explain and we'd have a good laugh.

In answer to your question earlier, I for one DO realize that this hypothetical situation is hypothetical.

I do also apologize for starting this thread. It's an abomination.
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I don't know what my personal life has to do with any of this, so why would I acknowledge the question.

If a lawyer was defending an accused rapist in court, would the prosecutor start bringing of the defense attorney's personal life?

At this point, are some of you still confused about the fact that the buyer attempting to take possession of the leftovers is hypothetical situation?
Again, that's a no. What woman would put up with this weird shit?
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SSG Honeylamb and I had dinner together Friday evening and brunch together today. I paid both times. On neither occasion did I insist on taking her leftovers with me.

I double tipped both servers, though. This is a shitty time of year to wait tables. Do that and stop fighting over the scraps of food and the dregs of liquor.
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First rule of Dining with Dooku:

- lick all of your food immediately upon its arrival at the table.
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SSG Honeylamb and I had dinner together Friday evening and brunch together today. I paid both times. On neither occasion did I insist on taking her leftovers with me.

I double tipped both servers, though. This is a shitty time of year to wait tables. Do that and stop fighting over the scraps of food and the dregs of liquor.

Wait, wait, wait... you don't make your guest pay their share of the tip? I only agreed to loan them food, and they benefited from the service themselves!
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First rule of Dining with Dooku:

- lick all of your food immediately upon its arrival at the table.
You can accomplish it quicker with a good loud sneeze.

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