Untitled grundle COVID-19 thread
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Isn’t Singapore the place that wanted to cane (whip) that American teen years ago and it turned into an international incident but even with what...the President at the time getting involved he still ended up getting caned 4/5 times instead of 8-10 times? Singapore does not eff around but yeah, comparing Singapore to U.S. is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Yes.
And they have an impressively low crime rate.
If you can't do the cane, don't do the crime.
See how easy that is?
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- If you want to compare effectiveness of response, compare the whole package. Don't pick out one thing such as school closing and say, why don't we copy that? Copy everything until you know better.
- Singapore and the US are in different stages of the outbreak (they don't have one). A more similar case is Italy that is in a major crisis now, and they shut down their schools. Why not talk about that but pick Singapore which doesn't have a problem?
- As other folks have mentioned, kids may not get sick or die from Covid-19 but they could pick up the virus and bring it home where it kills Grandma. That concern is not new.
- Singapore and the US are in different stages of the outbreak (they don't have one). A more similar case is Italy that is in a major crisis now, and they shut down their schools. Why not talk about that but pick Singapore which doesn't have a problem?
- As other folks have mentioned, kids may not get sick or die from Covid-19 but they could pick up the virus and bring it home where it kills Grandma. That concern is not new.
If you're trying to argue against what I said about Singapore keeping its schools open, your comment about Italy doesn't help your case. It actually helps my case.
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They also execute drug dealers. They executed 11 people in 2018 for drug-related crimes and 2 people for murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...t_in_Singapore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...t_in_Singapore
Gee, it's too bad that there isn't some way for drug dealers to alter their behavior so they don't get executed.
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Dude, you'd be sitting in a chair that multiple people sat in over several days -- would you trust a 16-year-old kid to properly sanitize it? The virus can live on hard surfaces for an estimated 3 days. And that doesn't take into account any droplets from fellow moviegoers that are floating around, ready to land in your eyes.
Even taking all of that into account, I still think you're more likely to get it at the supermarket than at the movie theater.
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You have zero evidence to back up that claim. And even if it were true, it's irrelevant. Movie theaters are a likely scenario for transmission and completely non-essential and therefore should be closed. Supermarkets are essential for making food available to the public and therefore should be open, even if some transmission occurs there. I mean this sincerely and not in a condescending way - I know you're capable of the critical thinking required to understand these considerations.
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I’m finally off work so I probably won’t be on here as much. I really need a break from all this. Also can’t format on the phone very well so can’t quote.
Keep the thread separate. Thanks to slops post about the combo hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin our hospital is getting prepared to use this as a possible treatment. It could have gotten buried under all the increasing political bitching back and forth.
I think grundle and the opinion piece are sayin what I’ve been saying. These measures and closures are not benign and could and will Lead to deaths related to this outbreak. However, these measure are still necessary because we have no idea how this disease is going to behave. But it still needs to be considered in the calculation on what measures to implement. It’s definitely having a huge mental impact on society and we’ve just started. Tensions are really high at the hospital and we haven’t even seen our first case yet.
Keep the thread separate. Thanks to slops post about the combo hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin our hospital is getting prepared to use this as a possible treatment. It could have gotten buried under all the increasing political bitching back and forth.
I think grundle and the opinion piece are sayin what I’ve been saying. These measures and closures are not benign and could and will Lead to deaths related to this outbreak. However, these measure are still necessary because we have no idea how this disease is going to behave. But it still needs to be considered in the calculation on what measures to implement. It’s definitely having a huge mental impact on society and we’ve just started. Tensions are really high at the hospital and we haven’t even seen our first case yet.
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#34
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Kristol is a moron and again, looking for something spike a reader's interest. He should write for Hollywood. He's merely getting people, who are professionals unfortunately, to spread their own virus...FEAR.
By June/July, this is going to be over. Isolation is key. It seems we're getting a good idea of how to vaccinate people with proper treatments and it's only a matter of time before the production is ramped up.
But let's take Kristol's worst case scenario.
Over 600,000 people a year die already from heart disease alone. Another 600,000 die each year from most types of cancer.
Yes, we can manage just fine. The media doesn't hardly mention those two mortalities, which when combined...is 1.2 million deaths per year, which is Kristol's figure of CV19 deaths at the worst case scenario.
Nursing homes will have the highest vacancy ever, and prices to put your father or mother in a home...will also be the cheapest ever seen for quite some time due to that vacancy. America won't even notice the worst case scenario, if it ever happened. However, with the media hyping it the way it is...they'll make it sound like 100 million are dying, with trillions of cases, with possibilities of infecting potential life on Mars if they could get away with it--and they could.
The amount of people who die from non-related CV19 directly, but indirectly due to the bullshit spewed out by the media...is my main concern. The way social media works and how ignorant people are these days, our financials...as we've seen could drop to literally nothing in a month, and could have stores being overwhelmed by rioters and people who just have gotten out of control...all thanks to the greedy anchor with bleached teeth on your television.
EDIT: Article is 2.2 million worst case scenario. I read it as 1.2 million.
By June/July, this is going to be over. Isolation is key. It seems we're getting a good idea of how to vaccinate people with proper treatments and it's only a matter of time before the production is ramped up.
But let's take Kristol's worst case scenario.
Over 600,000 people a year die already from heart disease alone. Another 600,000 die each year from most types of cancer.
Yes, we can manage just fine. The media doesn't hardly mention those two mortalities, which when combined...is 1.2 million deaths per year, which is Kristol's figure of CV19 deaths at the worst case scenario.
Nursing homes will have the highest vacancy ever, and prices to put your father or mother in a home...will also be the cheapest ever seen for quite some time due to that vacancy. America won't even notice the worst case scenario, if it ever happened. However, with the media hyping it the way it is...they'll make it sound like 100 million are dying, with trillions of cases, with possibilities of infecting potential life on Mars if they could get away with it--and they could.
The amount of people who die from non-related CV19 directly, but indirectly due to the bullshit spewed out by the media...is my main concern. The way social media works and how ignorant people are these days, our financials...as we've seen could drop to literally nothing in a month, and could have stores being overwhelmed by rioters and people who just have gotten out of control...all thanks to the greedy anchor with bleached teeth on your television.
EDIT: Article is 2.2 million worst case scenario. I read it as 1.2 million.
Until recently, I would have been totally shocked if the media had reported "trillions" of cases. However, since three different mainstream media people (an MSNBC reporter, a New York Times editorial board member, and a freelance writer for the Washington Post) all agreed with each other that one million divided by one million equals one million, I would no longer be surprised if they said there were "trillions" of cases.
I also think this panic could cause more deaths than it prevents. But those deaths will almost certainly never get reported by the media. Perhaps sociologists will eventually do a study on it.
Regarding the worst case scenario of 2.2 million: I don't think there's any real way to make such an accurate prediction. Why not 2.1 million or 2.3 million?
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I think grundle and the opinion piece are sayin what I’ve been saying. These measures and closures are not benign and could and will Lead to deaths related to this outbreak. However, these measure are still necessary because we have no idea how this disease is going to behave. But it still needs to be considered in the calculation on what measures to implement. It’s definitely having a huge mental impact on society and we’ve just started. Tensions are really high at the hospital and we haven’t even seen our first case yet.
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It is analogous to compressing all those 600k deaths into a span of 2-4 months instead of spreading out over 12 months. If you have hospitals overwhelmed with Covid19 patients all at once, then all those other people coming in for heart disease or gun shots or accidents may get subpar care and we would get even more deaths.
It's is all about not overwhelming medical services when doctors and nurses are ALREADY alarmed at the lack of PPE to begin with. We are at the tip of the spear here.
It's is all about not overwhelming medical services when doctors and nurses are ALREADY alarmed at the lack of PPE to begin with. We are at the tip of the spear here.
Speaking of gunshots, I thought this was hilarious:
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/...d-19-pandemic/
Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Used For Coronavirus Patients
Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Used For Coronavirus Patients
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The biggest issue is getting respirators where they are needed. A gunshot would, depending on where it is (most are shot in the limbs from people who can't shoot worth a damn), won't need a respirator. They'll just need reality check on the company they keep.
I will agree, there is concern about hospitals getting "too many patients". That's ALWAYS been in the back of the minds of hospital operations for decades. And when overwhelmed to some degree during a flu season or even local tragedy event, there are protocols put in place.
I've been talking to our docs and nurses about an uncontrollable surge in ER, and we already have that trauma in place. It's already there, really, but just doesn't make it in the news because it's boring stuff. They do it everyday by prioritizing life-threatening injuries. That's what hospitals do. Only if you're elderly and literally cannot breath as you're stumbling into an ER, will get you a bed. Gunshot wounds...sorry, you'll be in pain for a while while others are treated, along with everyone else who does NOT have urgent respiratory issues. Now it's just including CV19 in that category of respiration urgency. Of course, blood loss is another priority but CV19 has nothing to do with blood loss and only some gunshots do, knife wounds, etc., but I hope you get my point.
The biggest thing, is turning morons away from ER when they don't need it, and having them call their doc's office for an appt. And around the country, we're getting a lot of it.
Yes, we're gonna hear, I can already foresee it, the media yelling about how people are being turned away for illnesses. Well, it's because those illnesses were not life-threatening but you probably won't see that part of the story covered. "Mr. Smith was turned away from Hospital X! The tragedy of the CV19 is here!" Little were we told Mr. Smith had a fucking hang nail, and thought that warranted an ER visit (true story by the way)..
If everyone just calms down a few thousand degrees, and uses a tad bit of logic, we can get through this in a few months. Listen to the media 24hrs a day and be a dumbass, we'll have problems for a while.
I will agree, there is concern about hospitals getting "too many patients". That's ALWAYS been in the back of the minds of hospital operations for decades. And when overwhelmed to some degree during a flu season or even local tragedy event, there are protocols put in place.
I've been talking to our docs and nurses about an uncontrollable surge in ER, and we already have that trauma in place. It's already there, really, but just doesn't make it in the news because it's boring stuff. They do it everyday by prioritizing life-threatening injuries. That's what hospitals do. Only if you're elderly and literally cannot breath as you're stumbling into an ER, will get you a bed. Gunshot wounds...sorry, you'll be in pain for a while while others are treated, along with everyone else who does NOT have urgent respiratory issues. Now it's just including CV19 in that category of respiration urgency. Of course, blood loss is another priority but CV19 has nothing to do with blood loss and only some gunshots do, knife wounds, etc., but I hope you get my point.
The biggest thing, is turning morons away from ER when they don't need it, and having them call their doc's office for an appt. And around the country, we're getting a lot of it.
Yes, we're gonna hear, I can already foresee it, the media yelling about how people are being turned away for illnesses. Well, it's because those illnesses were not life-threatening but you probably won't see that part of the story covered. "Mr. Smith was turned away from Hospital X! The tragedy of the CV19 is here!" Little were we told Mr. Smith had a fucking hang nail, and thought that warranted an ER visit (true story by the way)..
If everyone just calms down a few thousand degrees, and uses a tad bit of logic, we can get through this in a few months. Listen to the media 24hrs a day and be a dumbass, we'll have problems for a while.
When a professional racecar drivers crashes and dies in a race, we don't count their death as part of the general total traffic fatalities.
Likewise, when a person chooses to join a gang, and they get shot and killed by another gang member, we shouldn't count their death as part of the general murder count.
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You have zero evidence to back up that claim. And even if it were true, it's irrelevant. Movie theaters are a likely scenario for transmission and completely non-essential and therefore should be closed. Supermarkets are essential for making food available to the public and therefore should be open, even if some transmission occurs there. I mean this sincerely and not in a condescending way - I know you're capable of the critical thinking required to understand these considerations.
I understand your argument. And I don't take any personal offense.
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Check this out:
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E...tes_flu_season
2017–18 United States flu season
The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths.
2017–18 United States flu season
The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths.
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
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Check this out:
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
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Check this out:
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
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Get it now grundle?
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Yep. If we go with Newsome's estimate of 25m who will get it over the next 8 week period and we just go with the 1% that's 250,000 people that will die from it - and that's just here in California. I mean this is a really big scary deal if the numbers hold up. Not to mention the ones that don't die from it a certain percentage are still going to be hospitalized - but where? This could get completely out of control very fast. That's why all the panic and the regulations.
Get it now grundle?
Get it now grundle?
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Check this out:
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
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I don't mean to laugh and I have grundle on Ignore anyway, but when I read this I flashed on Herb Welch on SNL, telling the anchor he wasn't gonna take reporter lessons from a can of hair spray.
it made me laugh on a day when I needed to, so thanks. 


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I'll send over a dancing virus to entertain you,
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Check this out:
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
So just two years ago, more than 60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu.
But not only was there no panic over it, I don't think I'd even heard that particular statistic until just now.
So what has changed in the past two years, to justify the current panic over something that, so far, hasn't even killed 1% of that number of people in the U.S.?
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-and-different
Some highlights (bolded emphasis mine):
Data from China shows that each coronavirus case seems to infect around 2 to 2.5 additional people. That's higher than flu. The average patient spreads the flu virus to about 1.3 others.
Data from China shows that 20% of COVID-19 patients, though, are serious enough to get sent to the hospital. That's about ten times more often than flu.
Once a patient with a serious case of coronavirus is hospitalized, the average stay is 11 days, according to a study based on January data from Wuhan — about twice as long as the 5-to-6 day average stay for flu.
There are years of data that can answer that question for influenza. In the U.S., for example, in recent years about 8.3% of the total population get sick from flu each season, a CDC study found; including people who carry flu virus but show no symptoms, that estimate ranges to up to 20%.
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An influential modeling analysis released March 16 from Imperial College of London predicted a worse-case scenario in which 81% of the U.S. population could get infected over the next few months, if no actions were taken to slow or contain the spread of the virus. Predictions from models like this appear to have spurred U.S. officials to implement social distancing measures to combat the virus's spread.
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An influential modeling analysis released March 16 from Imperial College of London predicted a worse-case scenario in which 81% of the U.S. population could get infected over the next few months, if no actions were taken to slow or contain the spread of the virus. Predictions from models like this appear to have spurred U.S. officials to implement social distancing measures to combat the virus's spread.
By contrast, COVID-19 is currently estimated to kill at least 10 people per thousand infected (1%). "It's about ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Disease, in congressional testimony on March 11.