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Old 03-19-20, 11:38 PM
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I hope no one in my family gets sick.
Food stores and restaurants (not eat-in) can remain open. People can drive if they work there or to shop there. Same for medical personnel and patients when they travel to medical facilities.
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I'm wondering when wearing masks in public is going to become less of a taboo thing. The Asian countries who seem to be "beating" the virus right now share one trait: mask use is common and encouraged.

Of course, nobody can find masks in the U.S. right now as we're experiencing a global shortage.

And here's some science for you:

Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population
I think that we should ALL be wearing masks. It kind of freaked me out when the CDC contradicted what I've been taught annually about PPE. Especially when this was thought to be droplet spread, masks make complete sense, and I felt like I'd either been lied to before, or now. I guess it's unclear if this is droplet or aerial, but even if it is airborne, I think masks on everyone would be better, because too many people can't cover their cough. Plus, who is sick? No one knows since so many people don't show symptoms.

I wore an old mask from my respirator fit test out a couple days ago and felt a bit like a freak. I never felt that way in Japan or Korea, or parts of California with tons of Asians (Irvine, I love you, you beautiful city). But, it is what it is. I wish mask wearing wasn't stigmatized here, but I'm going to do what I think is right and be the weirdo in one.

One thing is, I suspected this would be a big deal a while ago, and have a bunch of masks. Some are from my husband having the flu in early February, but the rest are from ebay. I never thought when I bought them that healthcare providers wouldn't have masks. It seemed ridiculous to me, because medical places usually buy from medical suppliers, not Walgreens. So, I'm sewing a bunch of homemade masks for the family tomorrow, and sending my disposable ones off with my best friend, who is a speech therapist at our local hospital. If she thinks they want them. I'm pretty sure the respirators are expired; the procedure masks aren't though. Pretty messed up situation.
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I think that we should ALL be wearing masks. It kind of freaked me out when the CDC contradicted what I've been taught annually about PPE. Especially when this was thought to be droplet spread, masks make complete sense, and I felt like I'd either been lied to before, or now.
I don't think you were lied to before with what you were taught annually. I'm pretty sure the CDC made their statements because they knew there was a shortage and didn't want the general public preventing healthcare workers from getting the masks they need. Even now, healthcare workers don't have the masks they need. Ideally everyone should be wearing masks, but healthcare workers absolutely should be prioritized.
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I think that we should ALL be wearing masks. It kind of freaked me out when the CDC contradicted what I've been taught annually about PPE. Especially when this was thought to be droplet spread, masks make complete sense, and I felt like I'd either been lied to before, or now. I guess it's unclear if this is droplet or aerial, but even if it is airborne, I think masks on everyone would be better, because too many people can't cover their cough. Plus, who is sick? No one knows since so many people don't show symptoms.

I wore an old mask from my respirator fit test out a couple days ago and felt a bit like a freak. I never felt that way in Japan or Korea, or parts of California with tons of Asians (Irvine, I love you, you beautiful city). But, it is what it is. I wish mask wearing wasn't stigmatized here, but I'm going to do what I think is right and be the weirdo in one.

One thing is, I suspected this would be a big deal a while ago, and have a bunch of masks. Some are from my husband having the flu in early February, but the rest are from ebay. I never thought when I bought them that healthcare providers wouldn't have masks. It seemed ridiculous to me, because medical places usually buy from medical suppliers, not Walgreens. So, I'm sewing a bunch of homemade masks for the family tomorrow, and sending my disposable ones off with my best friend, who is a speech therapist at our local hospital. If she thinks they want them. I'm pretty sure the respirators are expired; the procedure masks aren't though. Pretty messed up situation.
I don’t have access to any through my medical product supplier. They will only sell them to customers who bought them in the previous three months. Since I never needed them before the pandemic, I am screwed now. And I am shocked that I can’t get any cans of Lysol, which we use every single day. I had to spend a fortune to get a few cans from the scumbag hoarding pirates on eBay just so I can disinfect the exam rooms after every patient. It’s nuts.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik View Post
This is so jacked up. I need to go in to work tomorrow and pickup the computer equipment so I can work at home. The news reports are all as clear as mud as to whether or not that would be a violation of this order. I'm assuming not, but I can't find ANY clarification since my job is semi-essential (customer service agent for an insurance company).

It's total chaos in California, no one really knows what's going on.
You'll be fine. One, you're on essential business. Two, it's not a legal mandate as much as it is a recommendation. Businesses themselves might be in hot water if they stay open when they shouldn't, but the cops aren't going to be chasing down random cars just to ask where they're going.
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As slow as my office has been this week, I am at least encouraged by the thought of all the babies that are likely to be born in about 9 months from now. The “Shelter In Place Boomers “.
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As slow as my office has been this week, I am at least encouraged by the thought of all the babies that are likely to be born in about 9 months from now. The “Shelter In Place Boomers “.
I dunno. If you lost your retail job and don't know how you're going to pay rent, is it really a good idea to not cover that guy up?
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I've seen a few people post about that in a different sort of way. One good friend said something like, "Yes, I get it, the baby boom in nine months will happen and it's funny, ha-ha. Can you all stop posting it? I've been in a mental health depression since finding out my husband and I are infertile and I just can't read my 151st mention of this joke today." I knew they're dealing with infertility but I hadn't thought of the connection and that I can see how that joke could be exhausting for someone like her.
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As slow as my office has been this week, I am at least encouraged by the thought of all the babies that are likely to be born in about 9 months from now. The “Shelter In Place Boomers “.
Coronnials.
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https://healthweather.us

this company sells digital thermometers which reports back temperature readings by area. The company tracks all this data and looks at the trend over many years to see if an area is experiencing normal or atypical hot spots. It looks like the spring breakers in Florida are going bring back home as potential vectors and FL may be the next hotspot for cases. All those nursing homes. I feel so bad right now.
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Coronnials.
Fuck.
That's totally going to be the name. Lock in that copyright and website before anyone else does!
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You seem to think that countries that avoided an outbreak have some secret anti-virus weapon or barrier that they haven't told anyone. Let's pick four: Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam and Canada.

- Face masks: Common in HK but not in the other countries. In Singapore the government allowed each person a weekly ration of 1 or 2 masks so they can save the rest for medical personnel.

- Blocking the virus from entering. A lot of this is done in the background but it's done. When the Korea outbreak started a few countries started banning flights from Korea immediately. Vietnam refused entry of a plane already in flight. They meant business when they said no. Nowadays they all have tight restrictions on who they let in, what checks and quarantines they perform before they allow entry to anyone.

- If you want to search for a reason, maybe it's that those countries experienced the SARS problem in 2003 first hand, and that taught them to take these virus attacks seriously and what to do to prevent a repeat.

That's what upsets me so much about why the US is in this crisis today. We have ample evidence of what to do to prevent an outbreak, or what to do to stop one quickly if we fail and let it happen. We are rich, powerful and advanced in so many ways, but fail at some of the most basic things.
I believe that steps were taken to avoid having more virus carriers entering the United States on January 31, 2020...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...mments-wrapper

The White House declared a “public health emergency” and — beginning on Sunday at 5 p.m. — will bar non-U.S. citizens who recently visited China from entering the United States, subject to a few exemptions. Shortly after the White House announced the new restrictions and said there were six confirmed U.S. cases, a seventh case was confirmed in Santa Clara County, Calif.

...the Trump administration would quarantine any Americans who had visited China’s Hubei province, where the disease originated, within the past 14 days. The government will also require screening and self-quarantines for all other Americans who recently visited any other parts of China.
This mandate was met with counter arguments, however:

But even before U.S. officials announced such a drastic escalation in travel restrictions on Friday, China’s Foreign Ministry criticized the United States for making “unfriendly comments” during the coronavirus outbreak and said a U.S. warning against travel to China went against recommendations made by the World Health Organization to not restrict travel or trade. “In disregard of WHO recommendation against travel restrictions, the US went the opposite way,” the ministry’s spokesman said in English-language messages on Twitter on Friday. “Where is its empathy?”
I believe that things really fell apart because the U.S. did not have a properly functioning test to give us a true picture of the virus's spreading capability.

Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that the process for testing people for the new strain of coronavirus had proved very imprecise so far and that this is one of the reasons for the aggressive U.S. response. He said there was evidence that people who initially tested negative for the virus actually had contracted it.
As stated in the other thread, the WHO test was giving inaccurate results (up to 50% false negative results), so the CDC took to devising its own test. But the CDC took too damn long to get the test up and running. So, we've got a lot of catching up to do to get some accurate numbers as to who is truly infected and who isn't.



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Reposting from the COVID-19 political thread.

Hospital Update:

We still don't have a positive confirmed case here at the hospital but we keep seeing more and more patients that are being tested. Testing turn around is local and about one day. We may be able to get it in house soon if we test enough people. I'm exhausted. tonight is night 17/18. My partner on the other week got quarantined for 14 days because he went to Europe.

The key is ACE2 - The virus uses it as an entry point into the cells which all of the theories of the medications that work and what to avoid are based off on.

Remdesivir
This is an experimental drug released by the manufacturer on a case by case compassionate use bases for COVID-19. We don't know if it really works or not but there have been a few case studies that are promising. There are currently 5 clinical trials that are being conducted. The first trail results are expected next month. This was originally developed as an all purpose anti-viral and was pushed by Gilead as a possible treatment for Ebola.

Hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine
This is an old drug traditionally used for malaria and usually used now as an anti-inflammatory for rheumatoid arthritis. This is the drug that has the best evidence so far against SARS-CoV-2. Hydroxychloroquine seems to be more potent than chloroquine. Extremely limited data but it seems to limit pneumonia, improve lung imaging findings and shorten the disease course. The way it works is it raises the pH inside intracellular endosomes which prevent the virus from using our cells machinery to make more virus. It also seems to work as a prophylactic by affecting ACE2 thereby decreasing the viruses entry point into the cells. We've been stocking up with hydroxychloroquine for the past week because of this. I feel like we're a little ahead of the curve because we were able to get a sizeable amount.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...VjIL-7deJ7/pub

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Some hopeful news...

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...-trial-results

"A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days."
HIV medications
It doesn't seem like this is really panning out as a treatment. Some conflicting data out there.

Drugs to Avoid:

Corticosteroids

These are not recommended unless a patient is in septic shock or has another underlying reason like COPD exacerbation or treatment. They may increase replication of the virus according to studies on MERS-CoV.

NSAIDs
It seems like there is growing evidence against the use of NSAIDs non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen for those with the disease because of the way that they tend to increase the amount of ACE2 expression on cells allowing the virus to gain entry. My opinion as a pharmacist is only take an NSAID or Tylenol if you absolutely need it. If you can take Tylenol instead then sure make the switch. But don't take it if you have liver disease and be careful about other products that contain Tylenol. The WHO has official recommended to not take an NSAID if you have coronavirus.

ACEi and ARB
There is conflicting information about ACEi and ARBs. These are medications for hypertension. The theoretical problem is that they can upregulate ACE2 in the heart which is an entry point into the cell from the virus. However, there is no solid evidence of the negative effects of a person on an ACEi or an ARB in regards to COVID-19. In addition to this there are countless studies that have shown the benefit of taking an ACEi or an ARB in certain populations. Furthermore, there have been experimental studies showing that ACEi and ARBs can reduce severe lung injury in certain viral pneumonias. So if you are taking an ACEi or an ARB then keep taking it. The American Heart association has released a statement saying just that.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardio...ts-in-covid-19
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Newsom's newest mandate might be helpful in slowing the spread the virus (I guess that is what he is shooting for, so that the hospitals aren't overrun with patients), but until everyone is tested in the state, the virus will just continue to expand.

Those allowed to continue operation include grocery stores, health care facilities, pharmacies, gas stations, convenience stores, banks and laundromats, according to a Q&A on the governor’s website. Restaurants are permitted to stay open, but only for delivery and takeout service, the site states.

It exempts people who work in 16 federal critical infrastructure sectors, including health care, food and agriculture, financial services, emergency operations and transportation.
Those people out and about doing their jobs and those people who are sheltered at home and merely visiting the supermarket or other services, can pick up the virus and spread the virus if this chart is accurate:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...graphic-2020-3

People aren't going to be walking around in hazmat suits.
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Man that visited Walt Disney World and Universal dies of COVID-19.

He was 34

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Newsom's newest mandate might be helpful in slowing the spread the virus (I guess that is what he is shooting for, so that the hospitals aren't overrun with patients), but until everyone is tested in the state, the virus will just continue to expand.


Those people out and about doing their jobs and those people who are sheltered at home and merely visiting the supermarket or other services, can pick up the virus and spread the virus if this chart is accurate:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...graphic-2020-3

People aren't going to be walking around in hazmat suits.
Nope, they're not. But washing your hands repeatedly, using antibacterial hand wipes every time you're out grocery shopping (or whatever), and limiting your time in public places and touching as little as possible reduces that risk.

People have to go shopping. A lot of people have essential jobs, so they have to work. There's no way to completely stop the spread of this virus, but we can try to minimize it.

Taking these steps for the next couple of months (at least) will help reduce the number of cases to a more manageable number and will hopefully minimize the death toll.

But a lot of people will still get it, and some of them will die. This one is pretty scary.
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I believe that steps were taken to avoid having more virus carriers entering the United States on January 31, 2020...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...mments-wrapper

This mandate was met with counter arguments, however:

I believe that things really fell apart because the U.S. did not have a properly functioning test to give us a true picture of the virus's spreading capability.

As stated in the other thread, the WHO test was giving inaccurate results (up to 50% false negative results), so the CDC took to devising its own test. But the CDC took too damn long to get the test up and running. So, we've got a lot of catching up to do to get some accurate numbers as to who is truly infected and who isn't.
It's difficult for me to discuss this topic without getting political but I'll try. IMO we made many big mistakes along the way:

- Banning travel from China when China did their Wuhan lock-down and thinking it was enough to block the virus out. It helped but wasn't enough. We still had a breach somewhere, six weeks before we realized.

- Insufficient testing, intended mainly for diagnostics (testing one person) instead of surveillance (monitoring a population). So when we had a breach and the virus went far and wide it took us a long time to know.

- Too slow in fixing and increasing Covid-19 testing. There were problems here and in other countries, but they fixed their problem long before we did. There were many reasons, but bottom line was that we had little idea of the true magnitude of out infection spread. Smaller countries like Taiwan, Singapore and Vietnam used the WHO test (I think made in Germany) and so far have evaded an outbreak.

- Despite all of that, a month ago top health professionals were predicting the exact scenario we have today. We had lots of simulation and analyses that said that 3 weeks ago, we were already equal to Wuhan at their infection peak when they were doing those "draconian" things. We didn't jump on it then, so today we are in worse shape than Wuhan and more like Italy which is around 2 times worse in infection and deaths.

There is nothing here that hasn't been discussed in this exact thread in its early days. It's all there if you want to look back.
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^^^^^
You provided some enlightening information without injecting politics into this thread. Thanks.

(I was following the other thread, but got burned out from all the political bashing taking place in that forum instead of keeping information about the virus front and center.)
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^^^^^
You provided some enlightening information without injecting politics into this thread. Thanks.

(I was following the other thread, but got burned out from all the political bashing taking place in that forum instead of keeping information about the virus front and center.)
Well I was adding to the venom too

But it was frustration because many people saw this coming, but the worst case I imagined was same as Wuhan, and now it could be 2 times worse and maybe 2 times longer, at least in WA, CA and NY. Regardless of what we think of Trump. what is happening to this country and people is unthinkable and hard to bear. There is no lock-down in Texas (yet) so I ordered some food for take-out today. At 8 pm when I went to pick up, they told me I was their second customer today. The owner was there with a cook and a waitress.

"Lesser" countries with more limited means have somehow found a way to avoid this mess. In my work we make a lot of mistakes, but it is unforgivable if we make the same mistake twice, or make a mistake that someone else has made in full view of us. Here we should have learned what not to do from China, South Korea, Iran, Italy, France, Spain, and what to do from China (during their recovery). South Korea (also their recovery), Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Canada, etc. Quite a few countries did well, and we could have learned from them if we were more humble and thinking of this as nothing more than a "virus attack on humans" without nationality.
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There are still issues with testing. We admitted a patient a couple days ago with a workup for COVID-19. Had all the signs and a negative respiratory panel and zero procalcitonin. They ordered the test but the patient was healthy enough. On room air 02 sat fine but the health department said that if we discharged her they would cancel her test. She's 89. That's just ridiculous. Are we really hoarding that many tests we couldn't spare one for this old lady? If anyone would qualify and would need to know her status it would be her. I think lack of testing for this whole thing has really been the biggest blunder.
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^^^^^^

Yeah, I agree about the lack of testing being the biggest downfall.

I'm curious about the rising number of deaths in Italy. Did they not do enough testing of potential people having the virus? Did they choose not to isolate/treat those confirmed with the virus? Were the tests faulty or were there not enough tests available to use?

I feel if the United States wants to get the upper hand on this virus (if it's not too late already), we have to get enough tests produced and readily available. It feels like we're just playing wack-a-mole with the virus.
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That's not entirely true. They don't want people going to work if the job is deemed, "Non-essential." My job is what I'd classify as Semi-essential. People CAN survive without me being there, but it's really going to hurt some of our policyholders and the company itself.

I looked over the guidelines. My job really falls in between the two categories they listed.

My basic point is that Newsom rushed this order out without really planning it out properly. It's like he's making this shit up as he goes along without any serious thought or consideration.

But that's enough of that. Let's leave this NON-Political.

I hope no one in my family gets sick.
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^^^^^^

Yeah, I agree about the lack of testing being the biggest downfall.

I'm curious about the rising number of deaths in Italy. Did they not do enough testing of potential people having the virus? Did they choose not to isolate/treat those confirmed with the virus? Were the tests faulty or were there not enough tests available to use?

I feel if the United States wants to get the upper hand on this virus (if it's not too late already), we have to get enough tests produced and readily available. It feels like we're just playing wack-a-mole with the virus.
Forget testing. Isolation is best. Waiting for a test is not the problem. People need to STOP walking around in public like the Walking Dead. Get your essentials and get the fuck home and stay there as long as possible. Essential employees, of course this doesn't apply.

The amount of dumbshits in public...at this point...is staggering.
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Forget testing. Isolation is best. Waiting for a test is not the problem. People need to STOP walking around in public like the Walking Dead. Get your essentials and get the fuck home and stay there as long as possible. Essential employees, of course this doesn't apply.

The amount of dumbshits in public...at this point...is staggering.
When will people know when they can come out of their house if we have no data on who has the virus? Just stay housebound for the rest of their lives?

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