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Old 03-19-20, 08:49 PM
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Being in a huge country obviously helps, even with populations centers, people are quite spread out. Even more for us Canadians since we only have 38 million people. I believe we are quite fortunate.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
Being in a huge country obviously helps, even with populations centers, people are quite spread out. Even more for us Canadians since we only have 38 million people. I believe we are quite fortunate.
I've also heard that it's easier to prevent an outbreak in a smaller country because people movement range is less and you can track down and monitor suspected infection cases more easily. But I think if you do it right, you can make it work in any situation. You have to adapt, fine-tune and make corrections as you go, but it can be done.

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Part 1 of the Coronatto Trilogy?

Not a particularly funny skit but itís always nice to see Simon and Nick together.
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I've also heard that it's easier to prevent an outbreak in a smaller country because people movement range is less and you can track down and monitor suspected infection cases more easily. But I think if you do it right, you can make it work in any situation. You have to adapt, fine-tune and make corrections as you go, but it can be done.
What I meant is, a huge country is an advantage after you've shut down air traffic/borders. California has 40 mil, it's bigger than Italy and it just got the "everybody stay home" order. Look at Italy and now France. Europe has too many people and too many countries close together. In Canada, it's kinda hard for me to "infect" someone in Vancouver.
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^ Agree. What I meant is that every situation has its advantages and disadvantages, and we cannot blindly copy a solution from Country A and apply to Country B. The four that I cited are totally different from each other in terms of land size, population, demographics, health care sophistication, etc. but all have been able to keep the virus out. Somewhere in there we should have found a way that works for the US, but we didn't.,
Old 03-19-20, 10:19 PM
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^Yes of course. Some small country could have natural barriers some other medium size country doesn't, for example. I didn't mean to generalize.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
What I meant is, a huge country is an advantage after you've shut down air traffic/borders. California has 40 mil, it's bigger than Italy and it just got the "everybody stay home" order. Look at Italy and now France. Europe has too many people and too many countries close together. In Canada, it's kinda hard for me to "infect" someone in Vancouver.
I get what you're saying, but the vast majority of our population also lives in less than five percent of our land mass (I admit, I'm kinda guessing here, but you know what I mean ). If you just base population density on pure math it sounds good, but we are dense in a few spots and almost desolate in many others. Places like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc. are more likely to be harder hit, and just those three cities make up a lot of our population.
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Lock-down {called "Shelter in Place"} now expanded from counties near San Francisco to all of California, The order takes effect from tonight until further notice.
Old 03-19-20, 10:38 PM
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Let me put it this way. If this containment is all about "social distancing", despite our population centers, we still benefit from a form of natural, geographic, "social distancing".
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This is so jacked up. I need to go in to work tomorrow and pickup the computer equipment so I can work at home. The news reports are all as clear as mud as to whether or not that would be a violation of this order. I'm assuming not, but I can't find ANY clarification since my job is semi-essential (customer service agent for an insurance company).

It's total chaos in California, no one really knows what's going on.
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Since you like math so much...




In a nutshell: It's more virulent than the flu, has a longer incubation period, and a higher fatality rate. The 10x higher hospitalization rate means that it can quickly overwhelm our healthcare system, requiring more manpower, equipment, and hospital beds than we currently have to give.

And, unlike the flu, there is no vaccine and no herd immunity.
Add to this the fact that the flu is most contagious 3-4 days after a person exhibits symptoms while COVID-19 is spreadable before the carrier shows symptoms and is even aware he or she is ill.
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This is so jacked up. I need to go in to work tomorrow and pickup the computer equipment so I can work at home. The news reports are all as clear as mud as to whether or not that would be a violation of this order. I'm assuming not, but I can't find ANY clarification since my job is semi-essential (customer service agent for an insurance company).

It's total chaos in California, no one really knows what's going on.
Guidance:

https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-exc...sential-needs/


Honestly, if you're not working a retail establishment that is easily spotted, I don't see them giving you a ticket for going to pick up your work stuff. Now whether the company would open up the building is another matter entirely.
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https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-exc...sential-needs/


Honestly, if you're not working a retail establishment that is easily spotted, I don't see them giving you a ticket for going to pick up your work stuff. Now whether the company would open up the building is another matter entirely.
It's a 60 mile commute for me. I would imagine that as I'm driving in between counties that a law enforcement officer may pull me over and ask where I'm going. IF they're going to enforce this very strictly. (And that's another thing that's up in the air and not being clarified.)

And my job is essential for people to be able to make any changes on their policies, make payments, arrange for special payment plans so their policies don't cancel, etc. I'm a licensed CA agent, and only agents licensed in CA can handle these policies. (We do have some CA licensed agents in AZ, but not nearly enough if we close this office down before getting us set up to work at home.)
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It's a 60 mile commute for me. I would imagine that as I'm driving in between counties that a law enforcement officer may pull me over and ask where I'm going. IF they're going to enforce this very strictly. (And that's another thing that's up in the air and not being clarified.)

And my job is essential for people to be able to make any changes on their policies, make payments, arrange for special payment plans so their policies don't cancel, etc. I'm a licensed CA agent, and only agents licensed in CA can handle these policies. (We do have some CA licensed agents in AZ, but not nearly enough if we close this office down before getting us set up to work at home.)
Not that I won't put it past LAPD or whoever to make this into some kind of lame profit center, but I would think the onus would be on businesses to comply with the work part, and on individuals to comply with the congregating part. Like if they just start stopping every car to ask you where you're going, that's ridiculous. But you're right, I don't know for sure.

I'll add to that that they slapped on this band in the middle of the night, enforceable tomorrow. So lots of people are going to need to make preparations.
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Illinois count has jumped from 288 yesterday to 422 today with the latest numbers.

I don’t even like calling these “new cases” as they aren’t newly contracted, just now confirmed.
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Welp I was wrong, we hit 200 deaths a little faster than I expected, likely be at 400 by the end of the weekend.
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Not that I won't put it past LAPD or whoever to make this into some kind of lame profit center, but I would think the onus would be on businesses to comply with the work part, and on individuals to comply with the congregating part. Like if they just start stopping every car to ask you where you're going, that's ridiculous. But you're right, I don't know for sure.

I'll add to that that they slapped on this band in the middle of the night, enforceable tomorrow. So lots of people are going to need to make preparations.
Exactly. We've NEVER had the ability to handle customer service from home before. Our claims people have remote access, but not anyone in sales, underwriting, or customer service agents. The company is REALLY close to having the bugs worked out, but we just haven't had time to get everything dispersed to the employees.

This people the People's Socialist Republic of California I wouldn't be surprised if they make no exceptions and slap companies and employees with fines for this, but I'm hoping that at least a small amount of common sense is applied. You can't just shut these companies down cold without having massive problems. I mean, people still have to have insurance! You can't drive to those essential jobs without it!

I'll find out more in the morning. My supervisor has no clue as to what's going to happen. The Governor has totally botched this thing. He should have warned employers a couple of days ago that this would be coming and to disperse whatever computer equipment would be necessary for remote work by the end of business today if he wanted to shut everything down tomorrow. My company has put an AMAZING amount of work into this thing. We've never rolled out any new systems in less than 6 months, and it's usually more like 12-18 months to get all the bugs out and fully roll a system out. Getting this ALMOST done in less than two weeks has been remarkable!
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Uhhh ... or was it the company who botched it as many people saw this approaching and said this was coming? We just didn’t have a date.
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Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
Guidance:

https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-exc...sential-needs/

Honestly, if you're not working a retail establishment that is easily spotted, I don't see them giving you a ticket for going to pick up your work stuff. Now whether the company would open up the building is another matter entirely.
The California state order is simpler and more restrictive than the San Francisco area order that went out on Monday (which exempted construction wprkers for example). By essential, they mean "essential for society." Otherwise almost everyone would say that what they do is essential for a business or themselves.

In practice, I hear from my colleagues who were affected by the Monday order that most people do comply. Traffic is lighter this week than last, and last week was a big reduction from previous. But I have not heard of anyone who was stopped or questioned when they drive locally, No one I know has tested the highways.

Here was the Santa Clara County order (definition of "essential" in section 10): https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/Dis...er-031620.aspx
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This is so jacked up. I need to go in to work tomorrow and pickup the computer equipment so I can work at home. The news reports are all as clear as mud as to whether or not that would be a violation of this order. I'm assuming not, but I can't find ANY clarification since my job is semi-essential (customer service agent for an insurance company).

It's total chaos in California, no one really knows what's going on.
You'll be fine, I listened to the entire press conference, it allows for "essential" outings, food shopping (including fast food/pick-up), medical/medicine aspects. They really want to curb "going to the mall and shopping" or stores like everything is normal.

I have a friend in the LAPD and even they don't want a total lock-down because it might lead to mass looting and the LAPD doesn't want to have to deal with shit like that if it's avoidable. It's not chaos yet, but if they go full Martial Law that's when shit will hit the fan.
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You'll be fine, I listened to the entire press conference, it allows for "essential" outings, food shopping (including fast food/pick-up), medical/medicine aspects. They really want to curb "going to the mall and shopping" or stores like everything is normal.
That's not entirely true. They don't want people going to work if the job is deemed, "Non-essential." My job is what I'd classify as Semi-essential. People CAN survive without me being there, but it's really going to hurt some of our policyholders and the company itself.

I looked over the guidelines. My job really falls in between the two categories they listed.

My basic point is that Newsom rushed this order out without really planning it out properly. It's like he's making this shit up as he goes along without any serious thought or consideration.

But that's enough of that. Let's leave this NON-Political.

I hope no one in my family gets sick.
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My county is up to 5 confirmed, 12 tests outstanding, 1 death, and I believe 22 negative tests. They didn’t state the negatives today, I'm extrapolating that based on yesterday’s numbers (which had 30 outstanding).

EDIT: Found the actual county numbers: 5 confirmed (1 dead, 4 active), 16 pending, and 25 negatives. However they then say they have administered 42 tests ... ??

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So I made the decision tonight to cancel my trip to Hawaii that I had booked 2 weeks ago before all hell broke loose.

I was going to stay in late May for 4 days and 3 nights. But, considering that things have not gotten better and now travel is highly discouraged, the responsible thing to do is cancel. I'll hopefully get to do it later in the year or next year.

Sucks, but it's the right thing to do. This is a stressful time and it's not the right time to travel anywhere.

My ticket can be saved for a future date, but I may have to eat part of the hotel cost as it was non-refundable. I used a GC to pay for 1 night and paid 1 night out of pocket. I used airline mileage for a free room at a different hotel that I was able to cancel.

The grand total for my trip was only $260 for everything (flight and hotel) So it's not a massive loss if I lose that hotel cost.

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