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People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Who are some of the people that come to mind actors, musicians, or other fields that are universally considered good or great because they died early in life but maybe if they lived longer they probably would not have achieved legendary status?

Chris Farley.

I like him and he was funny but maybe over time he would not not be considered a great comic after a couple of co-starring roles in some Sandler flicks and a mediocre CBS sitcom.

JFK was great but if he let us stay in Vietnam he probably would not have been considered this great president.
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Amy Winehouse.
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She is overrated.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Kurt Cobain.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Even Buddy Holly's brother said, "He was good, but not that good."
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Jesus
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

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Jesus
Damnit! (I would have said Jesus Christ, though.)

I'll second Chris Farley, and possibly John Candy as well.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

I'll say Heath Ledger.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Definitely Kurt Cobain.
He would've been like most grunge bands from the early 90's - irrelevant.

I'd also say Elvis. His last few years were embarrassing and his early death overshadowed it. Had he not died on the shitter, the next 10-20 years of crap would've wiped out his legacy entirely.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Selena
Tupac
John Belushi
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Marley
Bruce Lee
James Dean
Marilyn Monroe
Bob Marley
River Phoenix
Not a person, but probably very few people today would have ever heard of a ship called "Titanic" if it had not hit an iceberg and sank.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Y’all are adorable. Most of the folks in this thread had more talent in the tip of their pinkie finger than 1,000 of us put together.

Chris Farley was way talented but I do not think anyone has turned the man into a myth and then into a legend. Heath Ledger was in one of the best teen rom coms, an Oscar nominated (winning?) Ang Lee film, and one of the best Superhero films of all time...so scratch what I was going to say that he, like Chris Farley, was very talented but not legendary, because I could have seen him eventually being considered by many as an actors actor as he continued to star in more high quality films.

Selena, Bruce Lee...seriously, get the frick outta town with that baloney. Put together a quality portfolio of music/films like these two did and see how you would feel if I said your work was going to be considered over-rated if you pass young.

Yeesh...maybe I am being punked or something like that with this thread. Anyway, I guess this is considered a thread crap so I will stop.

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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Brad Nowell. Sublime would be forgotten if he hadn’t died.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Originally Posted by Kurt D View Post
Damnit! (I would have said Jesus Christ, though.)

I'll second Chris Farley, and possibly John Candy as well.
Nonsense. He was well loved, long before his death.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Ritchie Valens
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

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Ritchie Valens
Nobody considers him legendary. Most only had a vague awareness of his existence before LA Bamba came out.

I do think James Dean became far more iconic due to his early death and more specifically the way that he died.

Oh and here's an easy one : Pat Tillman
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

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Not a person, but probably very few people today would have ever heard of a ship called "Titanic" if it had not hit an iceberg and sank.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

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Brad Nowell. Sublime would be forgotten if he hadnít died.
I donít know. I think he probably would have gone on to make some more interesting music. Maybe even a couple more hits. His contemporaries like No Doubt and The Offspring arenít forgotten. And those bands didnít have anyone die.
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Originally Posted by Decker View Post
Nobody considers him legendary. Most only had a vague awareness of his existence before LA Bamba came out.

I do think James Dean became far more iconic due to his early death and more specifically the way that he died.

Oh and here's an easy one : Pat Tillman
Regarding James Dean. Itís the fact that he went three for three. Three exceptional performances, all in the new method style. And two were released after his death, so itís like the ďWhat might have been?Ē question is pretty strong. Itís unlikely that he would have dropped off and never made a great film again.
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Even Buddy Holly's brother said, "He was good, but not that good."
Except he WAS that good. He literally invented the rock and roll band (two guitars, bass guitar, drums), and introduced a lot of concepts to the genre like double tracking (although those did come from country music). I can't even imagine what he would have been able to accomplish had he lived, and been exposed to more music, how he would have incorporated that into rock and roll.

Not sure if he's considered "legendary", but Darby Crash gets way more props than a drug-addled punk singer should have gotten. Same with Sid Vicious.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 View Post
Brad Nowell. Sublime would be forgotten if he hadn’t died.
Didn't Sublime help create Ska in the 90s? If that's true I wouldn't say they'd be forgotten.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

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Yíall are adorable. Most of the folks in this thread had more talent in the tip of their pinkie finger than 1,000 of us put together.
You're not wrong, but remember that artists are judged by their latest output, and often just fade away. Very few manage to maintain a level of excellence over decades. Imagine if Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin released a disco record in the late 1970's in a desperate bid to stay relevant, for instance.
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Originally Posted by Bluelitespecial View Post
Didn't Sublime help create Ska in the 90s? If that's true I wouldn't say they'd be forgotten.
Ska started in the late 50s, so no. Worst case, some 90s frat guys never would have discovered ska.
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Tupac and Heath Ledger have both been mentioned and they get my votes for one and two. Tupac was a shitty human being and Ledger was a shitty Joker.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Bruce Lee
False. Bruce Lee's contributions to martial arts cinema, the martial arts, bodybuilding and fitness that he would have no issue being considered a legend if he lived a long life.

Now Brandon Lee however would apply.
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Re: People who would not be immortalized or considered legends if they did not die early?

Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
You're not wrong, but remember that artists are judged by their latest output, and often just fade away. Very few manage to maintain a level of excellence over decades. Imagine if Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin released a disco record in the late 1970's in a desperate bid to stay relevant, for instance.
I'm afraid that would have happened to Elvis had he lived. Like Coral said, his last few years were pretty bad. All he was doing the last years of his life were cover songs of other artists. I can totally see Elvis doing many Disco albums in the 80's had he had been around.

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