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Old 11-15-18, 10:05 PM
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Paging pro and amateur photographers, help needed!

After years of asking my wife what she wants for Christmas, and hearing ďI donít know. Use your imaginationĒ 🙄 Iíve finally been been given a request for a tangible item! She wants a nice camera similar to what her little sister has.
Now I know fuck-all about cameras, but asked her sis what brand/model she has and she told me it was a Canon Rebel T6.
Do those of you in the know think thatís a good option? Is there anything else within the same general price range I should consider? Iíd prefer to not spend over $600 if possible. The sis-in-law did recommend I also get a strap and a zoom lens.
So I invoke the power of Otter to aid me in my plight...
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I am no expert in photography, but I am experienced in having a wife who wants a camera but doesn’t know why and has no desire to learn anything about it. Then, a few years later, she needs an upgrade.

Cameras are like computers — figure out what you need/want and then find what fits those requirements. Don’t go buying the biggest and best — it is likely far more than you will ever need.

Look for a package, but verify what is in it — you can go broke buying all kinds of add ons and accessories that you won’t need. What you will need is memory cards though — stock up on them.

Most important — send her to a class to learn how to use the camera. Most good camera shops will give you some free classes up front.
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I don't know much about photography. But the camera fanatics I know, all shop at the Canon Refurb store. They rave about the quality of the items and the low prices.

I ordered a point and shoot from them last year. It was in new condition. And I saved about $150 off the Amazon price.

They also had additional savings during Black Friday & Cyber Monday. So you might want to wait until then.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/c...e-lens-cameras
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A couple years ago on Black Friday I got a Nikon D5300, which looks close to the Rebel and in your price range. It came with a basic lens and a zoom (and yes, a strap too). I went to a free class at the store, but there are also books and YouTube videos to help. I like it quite a bit but will likely have to get a better lens at some point if I want to take better pictures. The person at the store (a real camera store, not a big box) said Nikon and Canon are both good, and it might come down to what feels better in your hand.
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Cool, thanks. And I’ll definitely keep an eye on that refurb link!
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T6 is more than enough to start. If she prefers Canon, certainly get a T6 kit or something. Nikon or Canon, can't go wrong.

Don't go mirrorless for now.
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After years of asking my wife what she wants for Christmas, and hearing “I don’t know. Use your imagination” �� I’ve finally been been given a request for a tangible item! She wants a nice camera similar to what her little sister has.
Now I know fuck-all about cameras, but asked her sis what brand/model she has and she told me it was a Canon Rebel T6.
Do those of you in the know think that’s a good option? Is there anything else within the same general price range I should consider? I’d prefer to not spend over $600 if possible. The sis-in-law did recommend I also get a strap and a zoom lens.
So I invoke the power of Otter to aid me in my plight...
How much does she know about photography?

Why a DSLR?

Is she going to process her images on a PC?

What does she intend to do with the images?

Some buy a camera and think they are a photographer. If I buy a flute, I own a flute.

IMHO you need to go to a store and look at some cameras and decide what she will do with her images.

Sorry to sound so rude but I see this all the time.

Here is an article:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...-for-beginners

Please take a step back and don't waste your money until you find out what will work the best. Bottomline is that most smartphones are excellent cameras with the ability to upload, share and print images immediately.
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You should know how much into photography she currently is. Maybe she wants one like her sister because they're sisters.

Instead of jumping into the DSLR game, consider getting her a bridge camera. It's a step up from a cheap point-and-shoot but not as expensive as a DSLR. The zoom is built-in, so there's no lugging around a separate lense. Bridge cameras look like DSLRs but yield good results without the expense.
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T6 is not a 5D. Don't be asking a shitload of questions. Just buy the damn thing, read the quickie manual, set it to auto to start (she will get more into settings later), and have fun.

No reason to NOT buy a DSLR as the prices are very affordable and quality is so much better than a p&s.

If she feels she wants something less "complicated" THEN come back and ask us what a good point and shoot to get. But let her figure things out.
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T6 is not a 5D. Don't be asking a shitload of questions. Just buy the damn thing, read the quickie manual, set it to auto to start (she will get more into settings later), and have fun.

No reason to NOT buy a DSLR as the prices are very affordable and quality is so much better than a p&s.

If she feels she wants something less "complicated" THEN come back and ask us what a good point and shoot to get. But let her figure things out.

She said she wants a T6...get her a T6 and make her happy.
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Along with refurb store(s) and Black Friday, also check Amazon Warehouse. For example:

Amazon Amazon
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
Along with refurb store(s) and Black Friday, also check Amazon Warehouse. For example:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...A2L77EE7U53NWQ
I often buy things from Amazon Warehouse. But I wouldn't order anything fragile and sensitive like a camera from them. Their condition grading is all over the place, and there's no quality checks. I've gotten Like New stuff that was Brand New. But some Like New stuff is obviously used, dirty, and shoved back into the original box.
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Not sure what you should get, but consider what it'll be used for and go from there.

Don't be a Jonah.

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I often buy things from Amazon Warehouse. But I wouldn't order anything fragile and sensitive like a camera from them. Their condition grading is all over the place, and there's no quality checks. I've gotten Like New stuff that was Brand New. But some Like New stuff is obviously used, dirty, and shoved back into the original box.
I've also bought a lot of stuff from Amazon Warehouse and I've had no issues whatsoever. Heck, I'd say their "condition grading" is overly harsh because 9 times out of 10, the stated 5% imperfections/scratches/blemishes aren't even there. Box damage is about all I got. And I never had to return a Warehouse item but I assume it's just as easy and painless as returning a regular item.

But hey, maybe Amazon Canada has a ton less stuff to deal with so their Warehouse items management is easier/better.
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If you are a Costco member, they often tell a T6 package that is a good deal. That said, I personally think the 55-250 kit lens is the better lens compared to the 75-300 lens that the bundle usually comes with (both come with the cheap 18-55). Alas, the bundle with the 55-250 usually costs more.

Either way, recommend this book for new people starting out:

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The authors also have a crapload of Youtube videos.
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Or you could do something thoughtful for once.

Like...

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Crap, if she really wanted it, she would have already bought it. Gifting sucks.
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She did specifically say she wanted DSLR. Which is pretty much a foreign language to me. Anyway...
She sent me this link, and since I have a Best Buy credit card, I’ll likely just go for this:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/canon-e...?skuId=5091315
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I'm with DVDP. She said what she wants, so just get her what she wants.

As was mentioned earlier, she'll also need SD cards, but don't get the 128GB one that Best Buy is feeding you. Unless she's shooting video or in a RAW format (which she shouldn't be), that's way too much storage. An 8 or 16 GB card is enough for a buttload of photos.
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She sent me this link, and since I have a Best Buy credit card, Iíll likely just go for this:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/canon-e...?skuId=5091315
Looks like both Kohls and BJ's is going to have it for $399 on Black Friday.

https://blackfriday.com/search-resul...S%20Rebel%20T6

https://www.bfads.net/stores/bjs-who...riday/page-40#
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Awesome! Thanks to everyone that responded. I’m going to just go with the one she sent me the link to, and see if I can get it Black Friday.
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I just bought at Nikon D750. It's the lowest price ever. But it's well out of your price range.
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Get this. Tell her that she has 2 eyes so there are 2 lenses and that this is the future of cameras!

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Kudos to your wife for wanting an actual camera. I've been doing professional photography for years and many think the camera on a smart phone is enough. So I'm guessing your wife knows what's involved for wanting an actual DSLR. Like most have said, the Canon refurb link is great to get some equipment. But those links for the BF sales will also do the trick.

One thing I would ask your wife (unless you know already) is what's her primary use for the camera? The lens that comes with camera packages are pretty good. But I would recommend maybe buying an additional lens, usually a primary (lens that doesn't zoom in and out). These tend to have a lot crisper images than zoom lenses. Or maybe consider that soon after she starts using the camera.

Also, buy many good SD cards for her, usually 16Gb to 64 Gb sizes. But a Canon Rebel T6 is an excellent start. If she really gets into it, then she can upgrade to a full frame camera (You can Google that one), and be prepared to shell out some serious cash for that, and the lenses.
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I'm with DVDP. She said what she wants, so just get her what she wants.

As was mentioned earlier, she'll also need SD cards, but don't get the 128GB one that Best Buy is feeding you. Unless she's shooting video or in a RAW format (which she shouldn't be), that's way too much storage. An 8 or 16 GB card is enough for a buttload of photos.
Agree with you as well. The only thing is that 32GB cards are so darn cheap at the moment. But yeah, the cards these days hold a lot of images, and we're talking if she shoots RAW + JPEG even.

If she wants to shoot video as well, THAT will take up space. Not sure if she's into shooting video like a lot of "photogs" are (which makes me shake my head, but anyway it's there if needed).

The DSLRs have quite a bit of in-camera editing in the menus, so I'd tell her if she wants to explore image editing off the camera and on her pc, she can certainly do it in the future, but the in-camera editing might be enough (cropping, color adjustments, "fun" editing, etc.). If she's savvy with pcs and software and even the most minor editing programs, that'll be great as most do not have that ability.

Although stay away from additional sharpening if she can (generally, you won't need it for almost all your prints unless you're printing some massively large sizes).

I'd recommend she shoot all her images (selected in the menu and it won't be by default) RAW+JPG, so that if she edits the JPEGs to hell and ruins them by accident...she can pull up the raw images on her native editor in the future and be fine. I believe in the Canon menus, the "RAW+L" is what you'll want, but I shoot Nikon so double-check in the manual.

By the way, format the memory cards IN THE CAMERA...not anywhere else.

Anyway, again, congrats to her. It's a great hobby. And I second the "no cellphone - thank god" comment.

Any questions on lenses, be sure to ask us here. Of course you can go to the "professional" forums and y'all know what I'm talking about but you'll get so much philosophical bullshit, you'll cry. I shoot Nikon, but I can help .

P.S. Be nice if DVD T'ers had a Camera Forum...

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Honestly thought the title of this thread was "paging pro and amateur PORNOGRAPHERS"
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