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Old 05-12-18, 08:03 AM
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Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

An author and educator has been ridiculed after saying parents should ask babies for consent before a diaper change and watch for a response through body language.

Deanne Carson said in an ABC News segment that families could set up “a culture of consent” in the home by asking newborns: “I’m going to change your nappy now, is that OK?”

The CEO of youth relationship service Body Safety Australia added: “Of course, a baby’s not going to respond, ‘Yes, Mom, that’s awesome, I’d love to have my nappy changed,’ but if you leave a space and wait for body language and wait to make eye contact, then you’re letting that child know that their response matters.”

The segment was highlighted on Sky News Australia’s “Outsiders” show, with Rowan Dean introducing the clip with a dig at the rival channel. “This is just superb and it was on YOUR ABC earlier this evening, which you paid for this leftie lunacy, have a look,” he said.

“There we go, Ross, consent for changing nappies,” he told co-host Ross Cameron. “I’m sure that that would, I think that might get a bit, er, anyway we won’t go there.”

The video was shared on YouTube, racking up more than 20,000 views, before Carson made a statement on Facebook in response to her vocal critics.

“I gave an interview the other day about teaching consent to young children,” she said. “Sadly, some people have chosen to ridicule me (oh no! Pink hair! Must be a lesbian!) and the notion of giving infants bodily autonomy (poo in nappies har har amiright?!)

“For those people I’m posting this. “One in three girls, one in seven boys will be sexually assaulted by the time they are eighteen years old. One in twelve girls will be sexually abused before their sixth birthday.

“The work we do with children, teachers and parents is international best practice in abuse prevention. It teaches children their rights AND their responsibilities and connects them with people who care and can help. It invites their parents into the discussion and is sensitive to cultural and family values.

“Troll me all you want, add to your blog inches, but remember that when you do, you are negating the voices of these brave survivors of sexual abuse.”

Her remarks elicited a mixed response, with one Facebook user commenting, “What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard,” while another said, “You’re doing such an excellent job, hence the reason they’re trolling.”

Danny Snee said it was “an insult to genuine sexual assault victims to compare their experience to a baby having a nappy changed without giving the right expressions.”

Skye Chalker said she was a survivor of sexual abuse and thought Carson “possibly could be” going too far with her teachings, but believed that “teaching children what is ok touching and not ok touching and if they don’t feel comfortable they should say something is a good thing.”

A group called Facts Without Frenzy said Carson was “right on the money,” adding that they had seen “similar denigration of other educators who work in similar areas such as sexuality education and the awful trolling and outright misplaced hate directed their way.”

But former New South Wales Senate candidate Kirralie Smith posted on Facebook: “This goes way beyond lunacy! This is neglect and child abuse!!!!

“Many children never want you to change their nappy. Asking them for consent is a serious indication of severe mental problems. Nappies must be changed to prevent serious skin damage and pain for the child. “What is worse is the fact the ABC actually spent our tax dollars on this moronic opinion.”

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Re: Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

I think this is a fair summary of what this is really about:


That concept is really nothing new. I remember this kind of thing being mentioned before our kid was born.

But NYPost gonna NYPost, I guess.
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Not surprised. Next we'll be asking babies what they want to eat and are they allergic to peanuts.
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I was expecting this to be from the Onion. Holy crap!
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When I'm old and senile, will someone be asking me for consent before changing my diapers? That's what I want to know.
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Originally Posted by Dan View Post
I think this is a fair summary of what this is really about:

https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok/sta...64503266705409

That concept is really nothing new. I remember this kind of thing being mentioned before our kid was born.

But NYPost gonna NYPost, I guess.
I think there's a big difference between a child learning body autonomy in regards to school teachers or friends or strangers and their own parents. Stuff like this fosters this idea that children are the equal of their parents. They're not. For the first few years (until age 4? 5?) the child doesn't know anything and is completely dependant upon the parent. I hope it's obvious I'm not referring to anything that is harmful or abusive when I say the parent has the right to do whatever they need to look after this child, who if they're still young enough to be wearing diapers, can't survive on their own.
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Re: Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen View Post
Stuff like this
No offense, but I would suggest watching the actual (unedited) video of the actual woman saying what she actually says instead of a NYPost opinion piece before saying what "stuff like this" does and doesn't do.

but it's the internet. People need a reason to be outraged about... *checks notes* ... parental advice. Not suggesting YOU are outraged, to be clear.

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I don't know where to see the video of the full interview, and I'm sure she probably makes a lot of good points, but that wouldn't suddenly make her diaper example any less idiotic and counter-productive.
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This isn't the official video, but it's one of the funniest, bizarre videos you will ever watch. NSFW
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When I'm old and senile, will someone be asking me for consent before changing my diapers? That's what I want to know.
Depends on if she's not guilty.
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Good point!
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Depends on if she's not guilty.
I see what you did there!
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I was expecting this to be from the Onion. Holy crap!
No thanks!

Especially from babies.
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Outrage!!!
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Absolutely ridiculous poppycock!

What a waste of words and time. Parents today need to grow some balls, like those of two generations ago.. Children rule their parents these days... and this diaper business would only accelerate the slippery-slope trend toward universal entitlement that kids are weaned to expect.
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Male babies should never be weaned. However, I would allow for "mammary transference", which other mammary glands would suffice.

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I think what they were trying to say is, "Don't be just grabbing the baby like a piece of furniture. Try to interact with them like infant humans."
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Re: Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

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I think what they were trying to say is, "Don't be just grabbing the baby like a piece of furniture. Try to interact with them like infant humans."
There is definitely some transference in this statement ... Shouldn't it say "Don't be grabbing women like a piece of furniture. Try to interact with them like humans."?
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I think what they were trying to say is, "Don't be just grabbing the baby like a piece of furniture. Try to interact with them like infant humans."
Don't parents...normally have this in mind when touching their own child? I mean, if we have to start saying this today, what the hell is going on with parenting.
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This is the most asinine thing I have heard in ages.
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Re: Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

Some of this "New Age" thinking makes me want to puke...

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Re: Sexuality expert says parents should ask for consent to change a baby’s diaper.

That's a pretty extreme reaction to something that won't affect you.
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Yeah, I'm not a baby anymore, so anyone who wants to touch my underwear better damn well ask first.
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That's a pretty extreme reaction to something that won't affect you.
Stupidity affects everyone.
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