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Old 06-06-17, 10:22 AM   #126
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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I don't see this as considering millennials "entitled" or "shaming" them.
It seems more like the dinosaur business needs to evolve

All restaurants at that level (Applebees, Fridays, Chilis, Bennigan's, O'Charleys, etc) are a current running joke in large groups of people.

They should more blame Ryan Reynolds than millennials
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Old 06-06-17, 10:28 AM   #127
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Finally Millennials are doing something good for society.
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Old 06-06-17, 10:30 AM   #128
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Old 06-06-17, 10:41 AM   #129
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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It seems more like the dinosaur business needs to evolve

All restaurants at that level (Applebees, Fridays, Chilis, Bennigan's, O'Charleys, etc) are a current running joke in large groups of people.
100%. This is a combination of factors and trends coming home to roost. One of these, unquestionably, is certain restaurant chains failing to read the tea leaves and adjusting their menus (to include real and perceived food quality), marketing and overall image accordingly.
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Old 06-06-17, 10:59 AM   #130
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

I don't have anything against these chains for snobby reasons. I just can't go to places where the average dish has 1900 calories.
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Old 06-06-17, 11:12 AM   #131
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

One of the issues is that these restaurants feel that they need to have HUGE menus, that have everything under the sun, obviously so they can appeal to the widest range of people possible. But when you try to be for everyone, you end up being for no one. Problem with a huge menu is that there's no way any kitchen can actually prepare all that food. So almost everything is frozen, ready to make in plastic bags. If these place paired down their menus to what they can make best, fresh, they'd do better repeat business. But then you'd also need talented cooks/chefs to pull that off properly.
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Old 06-06-17, 11:21 AM   #132
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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I don't have anything against these chains for snobby reasons. I just can't go to places where the average dish has 1900 calories.
Applebees is actually the only chain restaurant my wife will go to now, because they print the calories on the menu.
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Applebees is actually the only chain restaurant my wife will go to now, because they print the calories on the menu.
Probably for not much longer I bet.
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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Probably for not much longer I bet.
I'm not sure they have a choice (although they may not actually be required to do it until this time next year?).

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Old 06-06-17, 11:56 AM   #135
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

BWW's CEO doesn't seem to be aware that poor service and poor quality and/or poorly prepared foods could be one of the reasons why Millennials (or anyone) don't eat there. Their reviews on Yelp are mediocre at best and the vast majority of the reviews are from Millennials.
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Old 06-06-17, 12:09 PM   #136
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One of the issues is that these restaurants feel that they need to have HUGE menus, that have everything under the sun, obviously so they can appeal to the widest range of people possible. But when you try to be for everyone, you end up being for no one. Problem with a huge menu is that there's no way any kitchen can actually prepare all that food. So almost everything is frozen, ready to make in plastic bags. If these place paired down their menus to what they can make best, fresh, they'd do better repeat business. But then you'd also need talented cooks/chefs to pull that off properly.
Thanks Chef Ramsey
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Old 06-06-17, 12:43 PM   #137
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I'm a leading edge Gen-Xer, born in 1965. When I graduated from high school in 1983, I only attended one semester of college before I decided to get a vocational credential (for several reasons, but mostly because my parents were retiring and wanted to move away, and because I couldn't decided what to major in).

I borrowed for my vocational tuition, which was about $3,700 less a Pell grant of $1,400 that I qualified for. I just checked this morning to get a tuition average for secretarial training today:

http://www.costowl.com/education/bus...ool-costs.html

"Earning an administrative assistant certificate or diploma may cost as little as $600 to $2,500 and as much as $10,000 to $25,000 or more. Pricier programs typically provide more robust and specific training (not only in basic office skills like keyboarding and word processing but also coursework in areas such as law, accounting, and business) and can take up to 1.5 years to complete. Less costly programs are often intensive training courses designed to provide basic secretarial skills like record keeping, dictation, and using Microsoft Office."

The median income for an administrative assistant today is $15.58 per hour. Know how much I made on my first job? $5 an hour. Nevertheless, my loan was paid off. If it had been $10,000 back then, I probably would have shit twice and died.
I was born in 75. I graduated with about $20k of school loan debt in 2000. Point was, school loan debt isn't new to Millennials. They may have more of it, but that's no reason to throw your arms up and forgo working at a restaurant, retail or something not in your field because you are "frustrated." No, you buck up and join the real world. Sometimes you gotta do something you don't like to make a living.
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Old 06-06-17, 12:44 PM   #138
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

I'm 36 and don't consider myself a millennial. I hate any phones as well as Starbucks!

Interesting reading some of these posts because Red Lobster in my area is actually very good compared to these other chains mentioned. I'm there at least once a week when they have the never ending shrimp deal. I also occasionally visit Red Robin and like their food.

Chili's and Fridays have gone down quite a bit for me the last few years. You just can't get a good hamburger at them anymore.
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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I don't have anything against these chains for snobby reasons. I just can't go to places where the average dish has 1900 calories.
So just eat the food and not the dish. Problem.solved!

In all seriousness, box up half the meal and take it home. You aren't required to eat the whole thing. I've been trying this lately and it's tough, but definitely helps the waistline.
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Old 06-06-17, 01:18 PM   #140
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BWW's CEO doesn't seem to be aware that poor service and poor quality and/or poorly prepared foods could be one of the reasons why Millennials (or anyone) don't eat there. Their reviews on Yelp are mediocre at best and the vast majority of the reviews are from Millennials.
Here is the Yelp page for the BWW they opened in late 2010 or early 2011 near where I used to live:

https://www.yelp.com/biz/buffalo-wild-wings-bowie

The reviews have been pretty much the same with the same complaints (at least half the reviews being one star) since they opened. I actually created a Yelp account to leave my own one star review of this shithole years ago because I was so perplexed by how poorly managed the place is.

That there seems to have been little or no improvement in the intervening years says volumes, IMHO, about how poorly run the chain is. As I said earlier, I am aware of another bad BWW but the other 3-4 I have been to over the years have all been at least decent in terms of service.
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Old 06-06-17, 01:33 PM   #141
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

I've stopped going to most of those places listed simply because the food isn't as good as their prices should dictate. Applebee's in particular is awful. Hearing about how much of it is simply reheated, as opposed to actually cooked, makes me realize how terrible it is. There are so many restaurants out there, even chains, that cook their food well for a decent price.
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Old 06-06-17, 02:39 PM   #142
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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BWW's CEO doesn't seem to be aware that poor service and poor quality and/or poorly prepared foods could be one of the reasons why Millennials (or anyone) don't eat there. Their reviews on Yelp are mediocre at best and the vast majority of the reviews are from Millennials.
That's the baffling thing about businesses. They reduce quality, raise prices, and cut service in order to increase their profits, and the can't understand why consumers reject them.

They are so fixated on profits and growth that they cannot understand why people would quit going to their restaurants. It's like "We reduced the sizes of our portions, reduced the quality of the food we serve, and fired our experienced staff and replaced them with part time high school students. We reduced our operating costs by 20% while increasing our per-customer revenue by 15%. Why can't you plebians appreciate that!"
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Old 06-06-17, 04:26 PM   #143
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I like BWW BUT you have to find the right one. Most suck. There are two by me one is OK but the other is about 25 miles and it is fantastic. They need more value menu items like the Street Tacos and need to lower the price on the wing selections. I go there about once a month but never get out for under $50 for me and my gal.
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Old 06-06-17, 04:46 PM   #144
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Locations and store management do play a role even within the same chain. There is a certain Friday's location near me I won't step foot in after years of inept service and uneven food. The other Friday's close by is much better and is always more crowded.
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Old 06-06-17, 05:10 PM   #145
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http://www.nbcnews.com/business/cons...urants-n768326

Article saying millennials love chain restaurants...
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Old 06-06-17, 05:11 PM   #146
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I've never had issues with the BWW by me, although that one has 3 stars on Yelp
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Re: Millennials are killing chains like Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's

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That's the baffling thing about businesses. They reduce quality, raise prices, and cut service in order to increase their profits, and the can't understand why consumers reject them.

They are so fixated on profits and growth that they cannot understand why people would quit going to their restaurants. It's like "We reduced the sizes of our portions, reduced the quality of the food we serve, and fired our experienced staff and replaced them with part time high school students. We reduced our operating costs by 20% while increasing our per-customer revenue by 15%. Why can't you plebians appreciate that!"
My wife said out loud the very thing I was thinking: That sounds about right.

And it's not just about restaurants either.
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So just eat the food and not the dish. Problem.solved!

In all seriousness, box up half the meal and take it home. You aren't required to eat the whole thing. I've been trying this lately and it's tough, but definitely helps the waistline.
My partner and I split a lot of meals because restaurant portions are so out of control. If it doesn't seem like enough to share, we'll sometimes get an add on to the meal, or something a la carte to make up the difference.
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In all seriousness, box up half the meal and take it home. You aren't required to eat the whole thing. I've been trying this lately and it's tough, but definitely helps the waistline.
I was raised not to waste food so I'll definitely take half home rather than filling up.
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Old 06-06-17, 07:00 PM   #150
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I used to be a big fan of Romano's Macaroni Grill, then they changed all their recipes, I suspect to make them "healthier," and they tasted much worse. We stopped going, and they closed down that location.

I like Red Robin, but have no reason to go to Appleby's. If I want to do a sit-down meal, I prefer to go to a hipster pub-brewery and get better food.
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