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Old 08-15-16, 03:19 PM
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Cigarette Laws

A curious thing just happened to me. My co-worker asked me to go with her to a Walgreens because she wanted to buy cigarettes.

Not a big deal I go with her, wait with her online and then go up to the register with her. The clerk asked for ID which my coworker provided, then she asked me for ID. I actually thought she was kidding, I told her I didn't smoke and that I wasn't buying cigarettes. She refused to sell to my coworker because quote "You are on camera and I need State issued ID"
Since I was only popping out across the street from my job I didn't bring my wallet.

My coworker and I are both in our 40's and though we do look AMAZING, I certainly don't look younger than 21. I live in NYC (this happened in Times Square) and I have never had someone be so stringent asking for ID. Weird.

Are they usually this nuts with ID? I quit smoking a few years ago.

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Old 08-15-16, 03:22 PM
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I don't smoke but I've had that happen in liquor stores many times. Anyone at the register has to show ID, regardless of who is purchasing.
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That is definitely odd! So can you just walk outside and wait?
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Originally Posted by zoomgirl View Post
A curious thing just happened to me. My co-worker asked me to go with her to a Walgreens because she wanted to buy cigarettes.

Not a big deal I go with her, wait with her online and then go up to the register with her. The clerk asked for ID which my coworker provided, then she asked me for ID. I actually thought she was kidding, I told her I didn't smoke and that I wasn't buying cigarettes. She refused to sell to my coworker because quote "You are on camera and I need State issued ID"
Since I was only popping out across the street from my job I didn't bring my wallet.

My coworker and I are both in our 40's and though we do look AMAZING, I certainly don't look younger than 21. I live in NYC (this happened in Times Square) and I have never had someone be so stringent asking for ID. Weird.

Are they usually this nuts with ID? I quit smoking a few years ago.
That doesn't make sense, never heard of that. The age to purchase cigarettes in NYC is 18.

Originally Posted by Noonan View Post
I don't smoke but I've had that happen in liquor stores many times. Anyone at the register has to show ID, regardless of who is purchasing.
So what happens if the people at the register are an adult with their young children?
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So what happens if the people at the register are an adult with their young children?
My guess is they use discretion. Should be easy to tell if it's their children versus friends/other family, etc. Not sure how this is spelled out in the law, if at all.
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That's weird. I've never had anything like that happen even though it's not unusual to go to the liquor store with my girlfriend or other people.

I haven't even been carded at a bar or liquor store in years. My girlfriend was regularly carded at bars and stuff because she looked nineteen well into her twenties. I actually don't look as old as I am either, but I've had a beard since I could grow one. Looking young a benefit of not having kids?
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Agreed, we honestly thought she was kidding. Weird indeed.
I thought the smoking law here was 21, but I am not 100 percent sure.
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That is definitely odd! So can you just walk outside and wait?
Nope she completely shut us down. I wasn't even standing at the register with her, I was standing by the closed register next to her.
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A bar I represent cards anyone who looks under 80. It's a liability thing.
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A bar I represent cards anyone who looks under 80. It's a liability thing.
AMC theaters put a bar in my local theater. I was there with my dad and they carded him. He is mid 60's, but looks pretty good for his age. They didn't care. They said they have to ID everyone, regardless of how old they look.
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AMC theaters put a bar in my local theater. I was there with my dad and they carded him. He is mid 60's, but looks pretty good for his age. They didn't care. They said they have to ID everyone, regardless of how old they look.
It's not the carding her that was weird, that was expected. It was that they wanted to ID me because I was "with her". That's bizarre.
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The intent seems to be preventing adults from buying cigarettes for minors. Easy to get around. Minor could just wait outside or pretend not to know each other in store. Minor buys something cheap like pack of gum.
Some cash registers are rigged that whenever liquor or tobacco is scanned, a birthdate must be entered for the transaction to continue. If a person is obviously of age, the casher can enter any valid date to continue, avoiding carding adults.
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In California they just raised the age to buy cigs to 21. There's been zero fanfare about it.
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When I was a teen, all the kids bought their ciggs from vending machines. I can't remember the last time I saw a cigarette vending machine.

The Washington state recreational pot shops that I frequent card everybody twice (at the door and at the register), regardless of how old they look. The state's trying to make extra sure that no minors get their hands on any of the devil's lettuce.
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Nope she completely shut us down. I wasn't even standing at the register with her, I was standing by the closed register next to her.
Bingo! Very suspicious.
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Bingo! Very suspicious.
Let me clarify, in a crowded Walgreens in Times Square I was standing online with my friend chatting. When it was her turn I walked up with her and instead of standing in the way..I stood next to her which happened to be an empty register. The whole thing was ridiculous, but I no longer smoke so...meh.
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My coworker and I are both in our 40's and though we do look AMAZING,
My God, the ways I could disappoint you....you can barely scratch the surface imagining.
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When I was a teen, all the kids bought their ciggs from vending machines. I can't remember the last time I saw a cigarette vending machine.
Last time you were in a strip club probably. I think they're banned pretty much everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by funkyryno View Post
When I was a teen, all the kids bought their ciggs from vending machines. I can't remember the last time I saw a cigarette vending machine.
They still exist but only in places where minors are not allowed. Saw one last year at a club/bar in New Jersey.
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It's not the carding her that was weird, that was expected. It was that they wanted to ID me because I was "with her". That's bizarre.
Not weird. Liability is on the company even if someone of age is buying for someone underage. Still the employees responsibility to card everyone in the group.
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I see cigarette machines in casinos.
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I saw cigarette machines in a mall in Taos. They weren't selling cigarettes. There is a group who is buying antique cigarette vending machines and converting them to sell small pieces of art.

It's nice to see that zoomgirl still comes by every once in a while.
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The only thing I could think of is--and this is IF you looked underage--the clerk wanted to cover him/herself in case your friend was going to buy cigarettes and then give them to you when you got outside the store.

It's been a good 25 years since I worked retail, but one of my last retail gigs was in a Circle K located near a college campus and several private high schools. We regularly got monitored by the ATF and several coworkers got fired for selling cigarettes to minors, and so I personally made it a practice to card, EVERY TIME, no matter how old they looked.
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Zoomgirl, you were standing where?. Is that an autocorrect glitch or are you actually saying that?

I would say that her actions were a bit excessive, but with liability and corporate policies these days it doesn't surprise me.

The first and last time I bought alcohol at Walmart they actually scanned my ID (reading the barcode on the back) into their system. I refuse to by alcohol there based on that. I understand needing to verify my birthdate, but scanning my ID into your system is an excessive intrusion.
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The policy in most places now is to card anyone that looks under the age of 40 for items such as tobacco and alcohol.

The day is coming sooner or later when all tobacco products will be banned. It's obvious that is the direction we are going. I'm surprised we haven't seen a push to raise the minimum drinking age to 25. I imagine the beer companies keep up their donations to Congress every year.

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