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Old 07-22-16, 06:35 PM
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Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

Florida really is the gift that keeps on giving:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/florida-selfie-war/

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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

If Christopher Wimmer has to do community service, he can raise some barns.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

Selfies have enough problems, degrading them is just cruel.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

That stuff is a HIPAA violation. Office of Civil Rights is going to have a field day with the hospital and their employer.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

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That stuff is a HIPAA violation. Office of Civil Rights is going to have a field day with the hospital and their employer.
The Hospital shouldn't have any culpability if the selfies were not done on hospital property. EMT personnel are private employees, not employees of the hospital where they bring patients.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

Dubois faces two charges of interception and disclosure of oral communications, a felony, and Wimmer faces seven counts of the same charge plus a charge of misdemeanor battery because he allegedly posed while holding open a patient's eyelid.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

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Quick, light the Bandosignal!
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

What is "interception and disclosure of oral communications" and how does it pertain to posting selfies on social media? To me, it sounds like " Oh my god, you'll never believe what I overheard Janice saying at the water cooler!"
Old 07-23-16, 09:37 PM
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What is "interception and disclosure of oral communications" and how does it pertain to posting selfies on social media? To me, it sounds like " Oh my god, you'll never believe what I overheard Janice saying at the water cooler!"
I suspect it's making an audio or video recording of someone without their consent and then posting it publicly.
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I work in health care and every place I've been (a hospital and several skilled nursing facilities) have clear rules that you can't take pictures of patients, even with their permission. Companies are really paranoid of getting sued for stuff like this.
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The Hospital shouldn't have any culpability if the selfies were not done on hospital property. EMT personnel are private employees, not employees of the hospital where they bring patients.
Don't some hospitals operate their own ambulance services? I don't believe that was the case here, however.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

These two should be charged but DA should be fired for the misuse of battery charge.

Wimmer faces seven counts of the same charge plus a charge of misdemeanor battery because he allegedly posed while holding open a patient's eyelid
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If she were a school teacher...not guilty
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Quick, light the Bandosignal!
*looks around in confusion*

I had nothing to do with this, I wasn't there, and I was forced to do it at gunpoint.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

These two are pieces of shit. I hope they get the book thrown at them.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

I wonder if there is precedent to charge them.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

I'm still not convinced on this law, or I'm not understanding something. From what I read, there was no interception of anything, not even a Jameis Winston pass.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0934.03.html
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

I mean the guy was just trying to get in her pants... in a super weird way....

I feel like if I had a really awful injury and I survived I would want a picture. I can see myself telling them yes and asking them to e-mail it to me.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
I'm still not convinced on this law, or I'm not understanding something. From what I read, there was no interception of anything, not even a Jameis Winston pass.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0934.03.html
The CNN article says:
Ashley's office started investigating the case in May after getting complaints from other emergency system employees, who had also received the texts with pictures and videos.
I'm guessing here, but I suspect the issue is the videos which would have audio recorded with them as well. If they shot and distributed videos in which patients were talking and didn't know they were being recorded (there's your interception of oral communication), I believe they violated that law. Note that the number of counts they've been charged with is far lower than the number of patients involved.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

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These two should be charged but DA should be fired for the misuse of battery charge.

Battery....loosely defined is the offensive touching of another person. If they aren't touching the person for a authentic reason for work then it could be considered "battery" as the reason he was touching the person was illegal.

Just my thoughts...and I would agree with the prosecutor that the paramedic committed battery.

Could be dropped as part of a plea deal...but it appears to be exactly what he did, touched the patient for an offensive reason.
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To me, I think the battery charge is no different than when cops charge people with disturbing the peace when they couldn't find anything else to charge. Sure, you've technically met the legal requirements of the offense, but is it really what the law was originally written for.
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I would agree SuperJim88....there has to be a catch all. Here in Minnesota its Disorderly Conduct. I just wanted to point out that "battery" by its definition is the offensive touching of someone...which, while it may seem small, the paramedic did by touching the patient for a non-work, and illegal reason. Its thin but I can see their point. Just making the observation.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

In the military there is the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) comprised of 135 articles. Articles 77 through 133 cover specific offenses that can result in a court-martial. There is an Article 134 that's called the General Article. It covers any offense that's not covered by the other articles. So, don't be bad, they'll get you.
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Re: Florida sheriff arrests two paramedics for degrading selfies

From what I remember, there are indeed specific offenses covered by 134. Fraternization, adultery, rape, gambling, and screwing with the mail are all explicitly listed. I'll look for the actual reg.



All right. At first I thought it was an AR (27-10 Military Justice) but it turns out to be The Manual for Courts Martial, and it's a thick beast.

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I presume this touching took place while the person was in an extremely vulnerable position (medicated, injured) and likely weren't in a position to defend themselves. That makes it much worse then just touching someone in an annoying manner when they are free to step aside or tell you to stop. Because of that, I feel the battery charge is warranted.

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