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Old 09-01-15, 06:18 PM
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Teen talks another through a suicide..

Interesting this one. Do you think she's guilty or do you think he was going to do this anyhow and she was just helping him? I suppose, you know, picking up the phone and calling for help would have been much more helpful..

http://ktla.com/2015/09/01/you-need-...rt-papers-say/

A Massachusetts teenager accused of involuntary manslaughter allegedly urged her online boyfriend to commit suicide, telling him in a text message, “The more you push it off, the more it will eat at you,” according to a document released by the Bristol County district attorney’s office.

“You need to do it, Conrad,” Michelle Carter wrote her friend in the early hours of July 12, 2014, according to the document. “You’re ready and prepared. All you have to do is turn the generator on and you will be free and happy. No more pushing it off. No more waiting.”


Later that morning, Conrad Roy, 18, left his mother’s home and drove to the parking lot of a Kmart, the document showed. He called Carter, spoke with her for more than 40 minutes and, at some point, got out of his truck “because (the carbon monoxide poisoning) was working and he got scared,” according to the document.

Carter told him to get back in the truck, according to her indictment. The next day, on July 13, police found his body in the truck; he used a combustion engine to fill the cabin with carbon monoxide.

Carter, 18, was indicted in February, but the text messages exchanged between the two were released late last month in a prosecution response to a defense motion seeking to dismiss the indictment.

Carter’s attorney, Joseph Cataldo, has maintained his client’s innocence, saying the evidence will show it’s not a manslaughter case and that Carter attempted to console Roy on many occasions. Cataldo said Roy had planned the suicide for months.

Cataldo said his client had repeatedly encouraged Roy to seek professional help and finally resigned herself that he would carry out his plan. The lawyer said the case was a “dangerous prosecution” in that it suggests “speech alone caused” the young man to kill himself.

After searching Roy’s cell phone, police discovered hundreds of texts between the two teenagers, many with language from Carter encouraging Roy to take his life, according to police.

In text messages between July 6 and July 12, 2014, “Carter assisted Conrad’s suicide by counseling him to overcome his doubts, devising a plan to run a combustion engine within his truck … and by directing him to go back in his truck after he exited it, when he became frightened and said the plan was working,” according to a court document.

“I think your parents know you’re in a really bad place…They know that you’re doing this to be happy and I think they will understand and accept it. They will always carry you in their hearts,” Carter wrote in one text.

“Aww. Thank you, Michelle,” he wrote back.

According to the document, Carter even offered technical advice on carrying out the suicide.

“If you emit 3200 ppm of (carbon monoxide) for five or ten minutes you will die within a half hour,” she wrote. “You lose consciousness with no pain. You fall asleep and die.”

Since his death, photos and messages about Roy have been posted to a Twitter page that the district attorney’s office confirmed to be Carter’s. One reads, “I can’t believe today already marks 4 months without you. I love you and miss you always Conrad…”

In September 2014, Carter organized a softball tournament in Roy’s memory and raised $2,300 for mental health awareness, according to police.

Carter was arraigned on February 6 in New Bedford Juvenile Court and released on $2,500 bail and told not to use social media, according to Gregg Miliote, a spokesman for the Bristol County district attorney’s office.

Carter was indicted as a youthful offender because she was not 18 at the time of Roy’s death. Youthful offenders are tried in juvenile court, but the proceedings are public.
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Old 09-01-15, 07:12 PM
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Re: Teen talks another through a suicide..

She didn't "talk him through it", she talked him into it. A lot more texts have been released than those quoted in that article. I don't understand why she's being charged as a juvinille at 17 years old when younger kids are charged as adults all the time.
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A true sociopath. She should be locked up for life.
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Two mentally disturbed kids.

One was dumber than the other.
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She didn't "talk him through it", she talked him into it. A lot more texts have been released than those quoted in that article. I don't understand why she's being charged as a juvinille at 17 years old when younger kids are charged as adults all the time.
She had no weapon. No assault.

If say go walk off a cliff and you do it...what kind of crime are we talking about. You voluntarily walked off that cliff.

There are assistrd suicide laws. Charge her with that.
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No, she actively covered for him, lied to people about where he was, intending him to die, then instructed him to hide her involvement before he died.

Here is a story with more details

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...-into-suicide/

Here's a nice quote:

After his death, Carter became a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health.

She organized a fundraising tournament in Roy’s memory and posted on Facebook and Twitter about her attempts to save her boyfriend’s life.

“Even though I could not save my boyfriend’s life, I want to put myself out here to try to save as many other lives as possible,” she wrote on Facebook.
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Re: Teen talks another through a suicide..

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She had no weapon. No assault.

If say go walk off a cliff and you do it...what kind of crime are we talking about. You voluntarily walked off that cliff.

There are assistrd suicide laws. Charge her with that.
Depending on how the laws are written in Massachusetts, a weapon may not be necessary for assault.

While I disagree with assisted suicide laws, that is probably what she should be charged under (if her state has them).

IMO, this is no different than bullying someone into committing suicide. Throw the book at the little psychopath.

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How can a crazy kid be guilty of saying abnormal things which involves another crazy kid believing those abnormal things.
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Munchausen by proxy. She doesn't have a sick child, she has a dead boyfriend and can get a lot of attention by being an advocate for mental health while people look on and admire that poor, poor girl. She's pathetic; mentally ill herself, but I have no sympathy for her.
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What was the motive behind her doing this? Did she hate him? Is she deranged? It's important to know.
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They charged Jack Kevorkian with second-degree homicide for an assisted suicide, I say we make the same charge against Michelle Carter. While not identical circumstances, the end result was the same. She can look as sad-faced as she wants to in the courtroom, this girl is manipulative and dangerous.
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What was the motive behind her doing this? Did she hate him? Is she deranged? It's important to know.
One of the articles I read said the prosecutors are saying she did it to get attention to herself. The "ooh, i just lost my boyfriend, my world is crushed" kind.
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She is not mentally ill, she is a EVIL LITTLE BITCH.
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Re: Teen talks another through a suicide..

It sounds like she is a complete psychopath. I would hope our society prosecutes crimes of this nature.

Could you imagine the women's groups that would come out of the woodwork if the genders in this case were flipped? It would be a complete media circus.
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Re: Teen talks another through a suicide..

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They charged Jack Kevorkian with second-degree homicide for an assisted suicide, I say we make the same charge against Michelle Carter. While not identical circumstances, the end result was the same. She can look as sad-faced as she wants to in the courtroom, this girl is manipulative and dangerous.
Whether you agree with his actions or not, what was done here was far worse than anything Kevorkian ever did. He provided a means to terminally ill individuals who had made independent decisions to end their pain and suffering.

This little bitch just Miggs-ed a kid who obviously did not actually want to die, but was crying out for help. (Hence my posting Hannibal Lecter.)
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Munchausen by proxy. She doesn't have a sick child, she has a dead boyfriend and can get a lot of attention by being an advocate for mental health while people look on and admire that poor, poor girl. She's pathetic; mentally ill herself, but I have no sympathy for her.
Bingo. And the reason why the feminine mind can be as dangerous as the most vicious serial-killer. She is an evil bitch.
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Has this person been linked to other mentally ill suicidal boys?
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Pussy always fucking w/ a man's mind, yo.
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Pretty frighteningly warped. I feel so bad for that boy, in that state of despair and having someone like that as your closest confidant.

That being said, I'm not sure she committed any crime, though.
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
Whether you agree with his actions or not, what was done here was far worse than anything Kevorkian ever did. He provided a means to terminally ill individuals who had made independent decisions to end their pain and suffering.

This little bitch just Miggs-ed a kid who obviously did not actually want to die, but was crying out for help. (Hence my posting Hannibal Lecter.)

The ironic thing with Kevorkian is now Assisted suicide or Right to die is now legal in 3 states starting in Oregon many years ago
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We all have the right to free speech. If I use my right to free speech, so does the other person have the right to use their free speech. We can say whatever we want to say. But, with that right to free speech comes the consequences of that freedom of speech.

This girl used her right to free speech in her messages to the young man, urging him to commit suicide. Well, he did just that. Now this girl is facing the consequences of her free speech and a young man is dead.

Her lawyer is going to try to get her off on the free speech issue, and he may very well succeed in doing this. But, as said above, a young man is now dead because of her right to free speech.
I just read this, sounds very flawed to me. Of course what she said is not right, it is cruel and evil. This person saying that free speech comes with consequences is flawed. Public option? Sure, people can think you are a pile of ****. However if there are legal consequences then it's not free speech. Doubt what she even did would fall in that category based on how bad it was.

People can get fired, in trouble from private business, work etc... yet the minute you can go to jail it is something else.


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She is not mentally ill, she is a EVIL LITTLE BITCH.
Basically yes, no getting around that.

Not sure what punishment someone like that should get. On another note said person does control their own actions.

Just read more, she really fits in line with evil.

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