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Upstate vs Northern

So it upstate New York and its norther California. Why not upstate Cali etc?
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

Why do we park in driveways and drive on parkways?

And what IS it with airline food?
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

I always thought it was to avoid the confusion with "New York" referring to either a city or a state. Calling the upper region of the state "Northern New York" might be taken to mean the northern part of the city rather than the state (as usually the city is referred to as simply NY, not NYC).
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Drexl got it.

It always seems that if you tell anyone you are from NY, they assume the city. In a way, NYC and Long Island should be their own state. Too much of our (upstate here) taxes end up going down to the city. Fuck them. They can pay for their own shit with the amount of people they have.
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Albany’s working definition of upstate New York is based on what lies outside the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s commuter rail area. Besides New York City and Long Island, it excludes Westchester, Rockland, Orange, Putnam and Dutchess Counties.

As with New York City neighborhoods, these regional boundaries can provoke local arguments. Should the Catskills be considered entirely upstate? Should the Southern Tier extend farther west, and does all of Delaware County belong in it? Should Rochester, listed in the Finger Lakes region, be part of Western New York?

Some argue that Albany, while in the Capital Region, is so influenced by New York City and suburban lawmakers that it should not be considered upstate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/ny...-new-york.html
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

Originally Posted by resinrats View Post
Drexl got it.

It always seems that if you tell anyone you are from NY, they assume the city. In a way, NYC and Long Island should be their own state. Too much of our (upstate here) taxes end up going down to the city. Fuck them. They can pay for their own shit with the amount of people they have.
Actually, the opposite is true.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...e_than_it.html
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

I would consider the Catskills to be "Upstate New York."

If there was a region of New York State called "Northern New York," I would not include the Catskills in that region.

There is a region of New York called "North Country"



As for Northern California, I always found it odd that if you take the northern latitude (42 degrees north) and take the southern most part of California (the US/Mex border at the pacific ocean) and find the midpoint latitude, the north/south divide would run through San Jose. But there seem to be lots of people who live South of San Jose that would consider themselves to be Northern Californians. Isnt' Fresno part of "NorCal?"
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I was about to say the same thing.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

As someone who grew up in Manhattan, everything north of, say, Yonkers is upstate.

Truthfully, though I give my Westchester County friends crap for being from upstate, I'd probably say anything north of Westchester or Rockland counties qualifies to me.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

I think of the term "upstate" as being an Eastern thing. I've never heard anyone refer to the northern part of a state being "upstate" unless it was on the Eastern seaboard.

On the other hand, my dad and several brothers live on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, and residents there describe the lower peninsula as "downstate."
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Originally Posted by LurkerDan View Post
As someone who grew up in Manhattan, everything north of, say, Yonkers is upstate.
At the top of the Bronx, you can cross the street and be in Yonkers or Mount Vernon. And I still call anything north of the Bronx "Upstate."

And to the Bronx, Manhattan is "downtown," but when I went to high school in Manhattan and met classmates from Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island, I was astounded to learn that they called Manhattan "the city."
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

Originally Posted by RoyalTea
Isnt' Fresno part of "NorCal?"
Most Fresno people think so, but since I've lived in both LA and Fresno my own perspective is different.
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http://www.upstatecalifornia.com/
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

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At the top of the Bronx, you can cross the street and be in Yonkers or Mount Vernon. And I still call anything north of the Bronx "Upstate."

And to the Bronx, Manhattan is "downtown," but when I went to high school in Manhattan and met classmates from Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island, I was astounded to learn that they called Manhattan "the city."
huh, never heard that "downtown" reference (and I went to high school in the Bronx) but yes, I have heard all my outer borough friends refer to Manhattan as the city.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum View Post
At the top of the Bronx, you can cross the street and be in Yonkers.
North of 263rd street in Riverdale.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

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There is a region of New York called "North Country"

Is that where the winds hit heavy on the borderline?
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

Originally Posted by RoyalTea View Post

There is a region of New York called "North Country"


That's where I hail from. People from there usually refer to it pretty equally as "The North Country", "northern NY" or "upstate NY." But yes, in most places "upstate NY" often refers to anything north of NYC. It irks me when New Englanders refer to "upstate NY" without much of a concept of how big a state NY is. What they call "upstate" is about the size of all the New England states put together.
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Originally Posted by inri222 View Post
North of 263rd street in Riverdale.
Duh, stay outta Riverdale!

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Re: Upstate vs Northern

Originally Posted by Sgtsnake View Post
So it upstate New York and its norther California. Why not upstate Cali etc?
It's Northern not Norther. It's the area of Fresno and above.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

I always considered Fresno "Central California."



but Fresno?.... nobody goes to Fresno anymore.
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Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
I always considered Fresno "Central California."



but Fresno?.... nobody goes to Fresno anymore.
I heard it called that, too. As well as Sacramento county. Never actually stopped at Fresno, either or Bakersfield. No man's land as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

In Minnesota we have "the Cities" and then it's either "Greater Minnesota" or "Outstate".
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Originally Posted by starman9000 View Post
In Minnesota we have "the Cities" and then it's either "Greater Minnesota" or "Outstate".
Locals here in the bay area call SF "the city" As in "We're going to the city". You could be living in the city of San Jose but if you mention the "city" your talking about SF.
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Re: Upstate vs Northern

As a Southern California guy for most of my life, I never really considered Fresno Nor Cal. Sacramento would be though, and never heard of it considered Central.

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