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Old 05-03-15, 11:55 PM
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YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Yet Another Do It Yourself Electric Thread ...

Last night I went to plug in my iPad charger and got a large arc flash out of the outlet. It tripped the breaker. I reset the breaker and tossed the charger. Nothing else is/was plugged into that outlet.

On this breaker is 1/2 our living room (Outlet 1: TV, blu-ray player, cable box, modem, and router; Outlet 2: the problem outlet, nothing plugged in normally; Outlet 3: just a lamp), the entry way light (overhead with 4 low wattage decorative bulbs), and the front porch light.

Today, the cord to the blinds was blowing in the wind. The (nylon?) cord dropped down in front of the outlet and another large arc flash shot out of the outlet (it blew the end off the cord). The breaker tripped again. I took the outlet out -- it was burned a bit on the inside with one of the contacts seriously damaged.

I replaced the outlet with a one outlet/2 USB setup. This only used one of the two sets of the wires on the old outlet. The second set I initially capped off, then connected and capped. The outlet I installed works just fine, but Outlet 3 and the two lights (entry way and front porch) are still not working.

Any suggestions on tracking down the problem?

OK, any suggestions other than peeing its butt and/or calling an electrician? Neither one provides us with Otter-tainment.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

This is not a "do it yourself" situation. This is where you call a licensed, professional electrician and have them to a top-to-bottom inspection of all your wiring and electricals.

That, or continue as-is and die when your house burns down.

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First thing I'd do is check to see if any GFIs have tripped... could be an easy reset and you're good to go.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
Yet Another Do It Yourself Electric Thread ...

Last night I went to plug in my iPad charger and got a large arc flash out of the outlet. It tripped the breaker. I reset the breaker and tossed the charger. Nothing else is/was plugged into that outlet.

On this breaker is 1/2 our living room (Outlet 1: TV, blu-ray player, cable box, modem, and router; Outlet 2: the problem outlet, nothing plugged in normally; Outlet 3: just a lamp), the entry way light (overhead with 4 low wattage decorative bulbs), and the front porch light.

Today, the cord to the blinds was blowing in the wind. The (nylon?) cord dropped down in front of the outlet and another large arc flash shot out of the outlet (it blew the end off the cord). The breaker tripped again. I took the outlet out -- it was burned a bit on the inside with one of the contacts seriously damaged.

I replaced the outlet with a one outlet/2 USB setup. This only used one of the two sets of the wires on the old outlet. The second set I initially capped off, then connected and capped. The outlet I installed works just fine, but Outlet 3 and the two lights (entry way and front porch) are still not working. Any suggestions on tracking down the problem?

OK, any suggestions other than peeing its butt and/or calling an electrician? Neither one provides us with Otter-tainment.
The second set of wires sound like they are the out of that box to the other outlets. Outlets are normally wired in a chain like that. If the new USB/Outlet only has connections for one set of wires you can take the two sets of wires and connect them with a pigtail (short wires) together using an appropriate wire nut, run the other end of the pigtail to the USB outlet. Do you have a ground wire or is this an older house? There is NO reason for arcing from the outlet to a nylon wire, that is freaky!
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
Yet Another Do It Yourself Electric Thread ...

Last night I went to plug in my iPad charger and got a large arc flash out of the outlet. It tripped the breaker. I reset the breaker and tossed the charger. Nothing else is/was plugged into that outlet.

On this breaker is 1/2 our living room (Outlet 1: TV, blu-ray player, cable box, modem, and router; Outlet 2: the problem outlet, nothing plugged in normally; Outlet 3: just a lamp), the entry way light (overhead with 4 low wattage decorative bulbs), and the front porch light.

Today, the cord to the blinds was blowing in the wind. The (nylon?) cord dropped down in front of the outlet and another large arc flash shot out of the outlet (it blew the end off the cord). The breaker tripped again. I took the outlet out -- it was burned a bit on the inside with one of the contacts seriously damaged.

I replaced the outlet with a one outlet/2 USB setup. This only used one of the two sets of the wires on the old outlet. The second set I initially capped off, then connected and capped. The outlet I installed works just fine, but Outlet 3 and the two lights (entry way and front porch) are still not working.

Any suggestions on tracking down the problem?

OK, any suggestions other than peeing its butt and/or calling an electrician? Neither one provides us with Otter-tainment.
The "death ray" shooting out of the socket and zapping an insulated cord is a major concern. That says "call an electrician" to me.

The second set of wires was probably the power continuing on to outlet three and the two lights. If not daisy chained by the links on the socket, np power goes to those devices. That, you could fix yourself, but back to the death ray, call an electrician.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Check GFI's.

And you screwed the two wires onto the outlet backwards. Your porch lights and outlet 3 must be "past" your replaced outlet in the circuit.

It's also possible that you replaced a GFI outlet with a non-GFI outlet (or vice versa).

When replacing an outlet, I always set the wires so I don't accidently flip around anything. That outlet will work either way. But if you flip-flop the wires, everything "after" that outlet on the circuit will not work.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Call an electrician. Then pee in his butt (not too close to the outlet).
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
dvdjunkie32 forgets how Otterville works: I only asked for some simple advice, not 7 pages of mockery.
When you replaced the outlet, did you find burned wires? Was the box properly grounded?

I agree that an arc flash to a curtain cord indicates serious problems. My recommendation is to set up a webcam and post up videos of future flashes for our entertainment.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

I think in most cases, people are way too quick to call a professional and would be better off doing minor house repairs and projects themselves. This is not one of those cases. Not only would I call an electrician, I'd flip that breaker off until they came out.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Please install cameras in every room and outside, facing the house, and then stream everything live on the internet.

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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

I'm deeply saddened ... I didn't reply right away and nobody speculated that I died in a house fire.

E. Honda -- It's obvious the car started the fire in that picture.

Rob V. -- No GFIs on these. I installed those in the bathrooms, kitchen, and laundry room a while back.

Cseyer, OldDude -- I thought the same thing (daisy chain). Initially I left that second set unconnected (capped on both ends). Then I connected them. Still nothing. I did not pigtail them to the outlet though ... Yes, there is a ground wire and it is connected.

Troy Stiffler -- I connected black to black and white to white, but I suppose that does not necessarily mean it was wired correctly on the other end. I will try flipping these and see what I get.

Nick Danger -- no, the wires were fine (this is why I'm not concerned with calling an electrician). After I took the outlet out, I took it apart. You can tell one of the "paddles" that the plug's blades go into was physically damaged (before the incident, scratched and bent). Yes, it was grounded.

Maxfisher -- if the wires were scorched, I would agree with you that this would not be a DIY. However the cause of the arcing was not the wires and there was no damage to them.

DirkUSA -- you're looking for the wrong kind of flashing ... besides, who wants to see fat guy porn. Other than Alan Smithee.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
Rob V. -- No GFIs on these. I installed those in the bathrooms, kitchen, and laundry room a while back.
That doesn't mean the GFI couldn't still be "in line" with your outlets -- tripped - thus causing the problem.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

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No, not actually.

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The second set of wires sound like they are the out of that box to the other outlets. Outlets are normally wired in a chain like that. If the new USB/Outlet only has connections for one set of wires you can take the two sets of wires and connect them with a pigtail (short wires) together using an appropriate wire nut, run the other end of the pigtail to the USB outlet. Do you have a ground wire or is this an older house? There is NO reason for arcing from the outlet to a nylon wire, that is freaky!
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The "death ray" shooting out of the socket and zapping an insulated cord is a major concern. That says "call an electrician" to me.

The second set of wires was probably the power continuing on to outlet three and the two lights. If not daisy chained by the links on the socket, np power goes to those devices. That, you could fix yourself, but back to the death ray, call an electrician.
Thanks to a cancellation, I finally had a day off when I wasn't completely exhausted. As suggested, I pigtailed the sets of wires together and all is functional. Nobody died. No fire. No electrician got paid. More importantly, nobody's butt got peed in.
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A shocking turn of events.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

NEW ISSUE



I thought there was another wiring thread that had this problem, but I’m only finding this old thread of mine ...

So ... one outlet (not one involved in the original problem) in the living room quit working. Six outlets in the basement (not all of them) have quit working. I’m assuming they are daisy chained together. I spent yesterday changing all but one (I didn’t know it wasn’t working until my son told me afterwards) thinking one of them had to be the culprit. I may a little premature until I change the last one, but any thoughts?

All of the downstairs outlets were backstabbed with two sets of wires (and a ground). The outlet upstairs only had one set of wires (and a ground). One of the backstabbed outlets downstairs was pretty corroded at the connections to the outlet, so I cut the wires back and installed the new outlet. I thought for sure that was going to be the one.

The breakers are not tripped. There was no “triggering” event that I am aware of. No butts have been peed in.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Now that I have pissed my pants ...

That guy is something else. One of the things I do for my job is teaching safety around electricity. I’m going to have to use that video.
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That's one of the most aptly named videos ever!
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ElectroBOOM is awesome.
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Re: YADIYET: need help with wiring issue

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
NEW ISSUE



I thought there was another wiring thread that had this problem, but I’m only finding this old thread of mine ...

So ... one outlet (not one involved in the original problem) in the living room quit working. Six outlets in the basement (not all of them) have quit working. I’m assuming they are daisy chained together. I spent yesterday changing all but one (I didn’t know it wasn’t working until my son told me afterwards) thinking one of them had to be the culprit. I may a little premature until I change the last one, but any thoughts?

All of the downstairs outlets were backstabbed with two sets of wires (and a ground). The outlet upstairs only had one set of wires (and a ground). One of the backstabbed outlets downstairs was pretty corroded at the connections to the outlet, so I cut the wires back and installed the new outlet. I thought for sure that was going to be the one.

The breakers are not tripped. There was no “triggering” event that I am aware of. No butts have been peed in.
I once tried to troubleshoot a kitchen where none of the outlets worked. I even went into the freaking crawlspace under the cabin. It turned out that there was an outlet I hadn't seen. It was behind a box, and the GFI had tripped. I reset that, and everything was fine.

I'm guessing that the outlet in your living room is on a different circuit than the ones in the basement. It will be two different problems. Unless you count "cheap-ass back stabbed outlets are failing" as one problem.

ElectroBOOM is awesome. He's an electrical engineer, and his setups aren't really as dangerous as he makes them look.

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