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Old 12-01-14, 11:57 AM
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You can't have your cake and eat it too

Does anyone else really hate that expression? The entire point of having a cake is to eat it. What's the point of having cake if you can't eat it? It's pointless.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Okay.
Old 12-01-14, 12:00 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Yeah, only pussies say that. Too afraid to take a chance and have alibis for everything. That's why they are poor. Harsh but true.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

See this cake?



It's pretty to look at.

That's a nice thing to have, something pretty to look at.

Now, eat it.

Spoiler:


Not so pretty now.

You don't have a nice thing any more, do you?
Old 12-01-14, 12:10 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Originally Posted by Mrs. Danger View Post
See this cake?

It's pretty to look at.

That's a nice thing to have, something pretty to look at.

Now, eat it.

Spoiler:


Not so pretty now.

You don't have a nice thing any more, do you?
I thought the spoiler was going to be that it was a styrofoam cake.
Old 12-01-14, 12:20 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Pie > Cake
Old 12-01-14, 12:21 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Once you "eat" your cake, you can't still "have" it.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

the cake is a lie
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_can...ake_and_eat_it

You can't have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech.[1] Many people misunderstand the meanings of "have" and "eat" as used here but still understand the proverb in its entirety and intent and use it in this form. Some people feel this form of the proverb is incorrect and illogical and instead prefer "you can't eat your cake and have it (too)", which is in fact closer to the original form of the proverb[2] (see further explanations below) but very rare today. Other rare variants use "keep" instead of "have".[3]

"You can't have your cake and eat it too," is about consumption. Once eaten, the cake is gone. This analogy is often used to describe heavy spenders. Once the money has been spent, there may be nothing left to show for it.

The proverb literally means "you cannot both possess your cake and eat it", once it has been eaten, you no longer have it "you cannot eat the cake and keep it" or "you can't eat the cake and have it still". It can be used to say that one cannot or should not have or want more than one deserves or can handle, or that one cannot or should not try to have two incompatible things. The proverb's meaning is similar to the phrases "you can't have it both ways" and "you can't have the best of both worlds." Conversely, in the positive sense, it refers to "having it both ways" or "having the best of both worlds."

Having to choose whether to have or eat your cake illustrates the concept of trade-offs or opportunity cost
Old 12-01-14, 01:15 PM
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The proverb misses the fact that the cake brings immense, though temporary, joy. Thus turning it into a fond memory that you carry around forever. Thus you have your cake and you ate it too.
Old 12-01-14, 01:30 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Become a baker. Unlimited cakes that you can eat. Win-win!
Old 12-01-14, 01:41 PM
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I saw some British show a few years ago and the character said "You can't eat your cake and have it too", and I thought that was a much better way of putting it (as the Wiki piece describes).
Old 12-01-14, 02:12 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

We can have our cake and eat it too, like fat fucks.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

The solution here is to have two cakes.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Fuck you, man!
Old 12-01-14, 02:46 PM
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Looks like the internet proved that theory wrong.
Old 12-01-14, 05:01 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Originally Posted by Pharoh View Post
Once you "eat" your cake, you can't still "have" it.
Technically, you "had" your cake. Had = past tense of have

But why would you want to "have" a cake without ever eating it anyway? The entire purpose of "having" a cake is to eat it. What else are you going to do with a cake? Frame it and hang it on the wall?
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i think you're taking it literally
Old 12-01-14, 06:29 PM
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

Originally Posted by taffer View Post
Technically, you "had" your cake. Had = past tense of have

But why would you want to "have" a cake without ever eating it anyway? The entire purpose of "having" a cake is to eat it. What else are you going to do with a cake? Frame it and hang it on the wall?
Yes, past tense. Hence you can't still "have" your cake after eating it. And having the cake means you have something of value, which you wouldn't have anymore once you eat it.

Seriously, the Wikipedia summary explains this pretty clearly.
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And having the cake means you have something of value, which you wouldn't have anymore once you eat it.
Not true. You just transfer the value.

For example, having cash is value. You spend cash and lose the cash value, but the value transfers to whatever it is you buy. Whatever you buy is your new value.

Likewise, having cake is value. You eat the cake and transfer the value to something else. The yummy taste of eating it and the full feeling in your belly is the new value.
Old 12-01-14, 07:24 PM
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Not true. You just transfer the value.

For example, having cash is value. You spend cash and lose the cash value, but the value transfers to whatever it is you buy. Whatever you buy is your new value.

Likewise, having cake is value. You eat the cake and transfer the value to something else. The yummy taste of eating it and the full feeling in your belly is the new value.
The taste and feeling in your belly isn't worth shit to anyone but yourself once it's eaten. Unless you know people that like and will pay for your shit. Literally.
Old 12-01-14, 07:27 PM
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Pie > Cake
Shame on you for framing the Cake Boss, Pie Minister.
Old 12-01-14, 07:31 PM
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The taste and feeling in your belly isn't worth shit to anyone but yourself once it's eaten. Unless you know people that like and will pay for your shit. Literally.
Value doesn't have to extend to other people.

You pay cash for a Big Mac. You traded the cash value for the value of eating a Big Mac. Do you think anyone gives a shit about you eating a Big Mac? No, but it is value to you.
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Value doesn't have to extend to other people.

You pay cash for a Big Mac. You traded the cash value for the value of eating a Big Mac. Do you think anyone gives a shit about you eating a Big Mac? No, but it is value to you.
I can't have a Big Mac and eat it too.
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Re: You can't have your cake and eat it too

I also hate the expression (reversing it, as some suggested, makes much more sense), and I do love cake, so I'll eat my cake and then make another one if I feel like it. But I'll have none of that devil's food cake bilge. Only the best, like those out of a Maida Heatter book.

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