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Old 10-16-14, 05:26 AM
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Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Firm

http://time.com/3511499/john-grisham-child-porn/

“These are people who haven’t hurt anybody. They deserve some type of punishment, whatever, but 10 years in prison?”

Best-selling author John Grisham blasted the harsh punishment that people who watch child pornography face upon conviction, saying the prison system has “gone nuts.”

“We have prisons now filled with guys my age — 60-year-old white men in prison who’ve never harmed anybody,” Grisham said in a recent interview. Grisham said there are men in prison who “got online one night” who “probably had too much to drink” and ended up on child-pornography websites, a crime he said a friend had committed.
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Old 10-16-14, 06:28 AM
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

Drug offences need to be revaluated and lessened IMO, but kiddy porn????? It sounds to me that Grishim pulled that crime topic right out of his ass as example of over population in the prison system. What a poor example though.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

Yeah of all the offenses that cause overcrowding, I'm just fine keeping the kiddy porn fans behind bars. Reevaluate pretty much every other offense first and then if overcrowding isn't solved, then... maybe, we can discuss kiddy porn.
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Old 10-16-14, 08:01 AM
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

What I think is stupid is that Men/Women who f$%k a 16 year old is treated the same as someone who molest a 7-8 year old. The whole US justice system needs to be reworked.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

haven't harmed anyone? uh, they are continuing to allow the child pornography industry to remain by downloading and distributing kiddie porn. i can agree, that sometimes the penalties are too harsh. here in AZ, i've often seen someone caught with kiddie porn get more prison time than someone who actually molested or raped a person. that doesn't seem right. but these people deserve to be locked up for a significant portion of their life if they perpetuate heinous crimes like child sex crimes.

his assumption of just stumbling upon a child porn site are pretty hilarious, though. yeah, that doesn't happen. you need to really seek out child pornography if that is what you are looking for.
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Old 10-16-14, 09:25 AM
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I actually did stumble upon some child porn on usenet once. I reported it.

The thing about child porn is that it is evidence of a crime. Viewers who don't report it are withholding evidence.

Maybe they didn't molest the child themselves, but they abetted the perpetrator by wanking to the evidence, instead of giving it to the police.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I don't know. There's a lot of "alarmist" causes out there that I can't agree with (you suck, PETA). But I'm fine with being an alarmist about kiddie porn.
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Old 10-16-14, 10:18 AM
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I happen to agree with him but the prison system is a for profit employer that is used as the economy in some cities so it's never going to change.
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Old 10-16-14, 10:39 AM
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

With file-sharing programs like Kazaa way back in the day, it was easy to find child porn even when you were looking for something else. CP consumers that use P2P were easy targets for law enforcement. I've never downloaded CP and stopped using P2P because I was afraid I could accidently download CP given how shady piracy is.

However, a lot of the guys arrested for CP have a ton of CP on their computers so I think it's hard for them to say they aren't involved in harming someone.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I guess the penalties in the US are harsher than they are here.

I know someone that was convicted of possession, distribution and accessing child porn, and he was sentenced to time served while awaiting trial. This amounted to 1 year. I don't think this is sufficient.

He's also being charged with other crimes which I believe will carry a harsher sentence.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

In 3...2...1...John Grisham arrested for possessing Child P. I would be investigating him after these comments. Smoke-fire.

Odd thing to spout off about.
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I've been pretty drunk before, and I sure as hell didn't surf on over to some child porn. Like others have said, there are plenty of other crimes I would like to see reevaluated before child pornography.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

Interesting Grisham doesn't believe viewing kiddy porn harms anyone, but he thought Oliver Stone and his production company should be held legally responsible for murderers who watched Natural Born Killers.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

These are people who haven’t hurt anybody.
Well, no.

Let's say I like to watch snuff films while having my Wheaties in the morning. Breakfast of Champions, and all that. The snuff films had to come from somewhere, and by buying them, downloading them, streaming them, or whatever, I'm, however faintly, creating a demand for them. So, yes, I am hurting someone. I might not be committing murder personally, but I am, virtually, if not literally, over there in the corner, whispering encouragement to the person who is.
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Old 10-16-14, 01:21 PM
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Grisham apologizes.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...iles/17344755/
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

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As someone who only watches porn of women over 65, I accept his apology
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

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Interesting Grisham doesn't believe viewing kiddy porn harms anyone, but he thought Oliver Stone and his production company should be held legally responsible for murderers who watched Natural Born Killers.
This. He was pushing for an outright BAN of the movie. Fuck Grisham.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

The easiest way to look at it is like this - if no one was watching it, no one would be making it. So in that way alone, it is not a "victimless" crime.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

Grisham said there are men in prison who “got online one night” who “probably had too much to drink” and ended up on child-pornography websites, a crime he said a friend had committed.
Yes, I'm sure his friend just happened to stumble on a kiddie porn site while surfing one night, and when the police obtained the server logs, they arrested everyone who ever viewed it even once.

I've seen Family Circus strips with more believable excuses.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I have bid on crap on ebay while "inebriated" but no amount of booze or drugs could impair my judgement enough to look up kiddie porn.

I do remember back in the early days when Al Gore first created the internet that you had to be careful if you searched for "The X-Files".
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

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I've seen Family Circus strips with more believable excuses.

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Having some old Tracy Lords stuff on my computer would make me a child pornography watcher. I'm not saying I have or haven't at one point "seen" some of those scenes but that's not worth 10 years in jail in my opinion.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

I stick with MILF porn these days, just to be on the safe side.

I know what Grisham was trying to say - that there should be a difference in the punishment for those who have only viewed material as opposed to those who are actually shooting it and distributing it - it just didn't come out the way he wanted it to. Actually, it probably came out exactly the way he wanted it to, but there's not a lot of sympathy for either type of offender, obviously.
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Re: Jail sentences for kiddy-porn watchers are too harsh! - says the author of The Fi

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Well, no.

Let's say I like to watch snuff films while having my Wheaties in the morning. Breakfast of Champions, and all that. The snuff films had to come from somewhere, and by buying them, downloading them, streaming them, or whatever, I'm, however faintly, creating a demand for them. So, yes, I am hurting someone. I might not be committing murder personally, but I am, virtually, if not literally, over there in the corner, whispering encouragement to the person who is.
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The easiest way to look at it is like this - if no one was watching it, no one would be making it. So in that way alone, it is not a "victimless" crime.
I'm undecided on whether I agree with you both. For example, I think this logic would also require the criminalization of those who view video of the ISIS beheadings.
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I'm undecided on whether I agree with you both. For example, I think this logic would also require the criminalization of those who view video of the ISIS beheadings.
While there are some similarities, porn is essentially a consumer product and there must be demand for it to exist. Terrorist acts, while needing an audience, are not products or commodities.
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