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"My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes"

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"My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes"

I found these two contrasting points of view on different websites:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5080616AAiNnLN

How do you handle a co-worker that smokes heavily and smells like a wet ashtray?

She is a new employee who goes outside to take smoke "breaks" at least hourly (productivity!). Management won't say anything b/c there is no smoking/non-smoking policy in place. Yet, the smell is so bad that it has permeated our small (less than 15 people) office! Air fresheners don't help.

She is a new employee who goes outside to take smoke "breaks" at least once per hour and when she comes back, she smells like a cold, dead, wet ashtray. She sits next to me and I have installed those plug in air fresheners at the suggestion of Management. (That was his only comment when I approached him about moving my desk. "get air fresheners") Yet, the smell is so bad that it has permeated our small (less than 15 people) office! What can be done? Note that I am not the only one complaining to the wimpy manager.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/del-...V79DRA9SD2IBF5

I got fired for smelling like cigarette smoke.

I started a job and got released from the job that same just because I am a smoker who had presumably offended a co-worker who smelled cigarette smoke on me. The supervisor of the job location said that he was sorry about the decision but had to let me go only because I smelled like smoke.

I think this is ridiculous for having me lose a job because of something that does not affect my performance on the job.
I believe the decision was discriminatory and petty.

I was nice to everyone at the job, had no mistakes in performing the job, but I got let go because of this?

THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!!!
I'm going to see if I can press a lawsuit against this decision.

IT IS DISCRIMINATION!!!!!

Wikipedia also has this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-hand_smoke

Third-hand smoke

The term "third-hand smoke" is a neologism coined by a research team from the Dana–Farber/Harvard Cancer Center. The 'third-hand' component of the term is a reference to the remnants on surfaces after "second-hand smoke" has cleared out. The term "first-hand smoke" refers to what is inhaled into the smoker's own lungs, while "second-hand smoke" is what is a mixture of exhaled smoke and other substances leaving the smoldering end of the cigarette and enters the atmosphere and can be inhaled by others; third-hand smoke, by that token, is contamination on the surfaces of objects that remains after the second-hand smoke has cleared.

the actual magnitude of risk, if any, remains unknown.

So they don't know if third hand smoke is dangerous or not.

But it is annoying, to many people who don't smoke.

As a non-smoker, I would be very biased to side with the other non-smokers, in being opposed to being exposed to third hand smoke - especially it if was someone who sat right next to me.

Someone that I know (who had quit smoking more than two decades earlier) once told me that she once refused to hire someone, because during the job interview, the person absolutely reeked of third hand smoke, and she did not want to subject her employees to that kind of environment. I told her that I thought she made the right decision.

What are your thoughts on this subject?
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What the fuck made you pursue this?
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

I often wonder if they know just how badly they smell. In my building, I have to take an elevator to get to my floor. Often times that means the smokers are coming back from their smoke breaks while I'm riding up. I can't wait for the doors to open to get out of there as it reeks so bad. If I was in charge of hiring, I wouldn't hire them if they stunk.
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

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What the fuck made you pursue this?

I read this article, got curious, and googled to find those other things:


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/warnin...173111627.html

Warning: Smoking Is Hazardous to Your Employment

April 8, 2013

Companies aren't just singling out overweight employees. Staffers who smoke are under fire too.

In small but growing numbers, employers in recent years have been refusing to hire smokers, arguing that coaxing tobacco users to quit with free cessation programs or cash incentives hasn't worked. Some medical experts back the bans, saying the end result of reducing smoking is worth it. But other health-care experts say the policy crosses an ethical line by singling out poorer and less educated groups who, federal data shows, smoke more often.

[More from WSJ.com: Workers Stuck in Disability Stunt Economic Recovery]

In all, about four out of 10 employers reward or penalize employees based on tobacco use. But hiring bans, which are legal in 21 states, are gaining traction, with about 4% adopting the policy and an additional 2% planning to do so next year, according to a recent study by the National Business Group on Health and consulting firm Towers Watson (TW). Most firms simply ask job candidates if they smoke, but a few require candidates to take urine tests to be screened for nicotine, as part of a broader drug test.

To date, along with some casinos, the bans have been most commonly followed by health-care employers, including Danville, Pa.-based Geisinger Health System and Baylor Health Care System, based in Dallas. Not surprisingly, that has prompted a debate within the medical community. Two groups of health researchers, for example, wrote dueling articles on the topic that were recently published in the New England Journal of Medicine after the University of Pennsylvania Health System recently said it would no longer hire smokers starting this July.

Ezekiel Emanuel, who co-wrote one of the papers, argues that the practice discriminates against poorer and less-educated populations, where smoking is more prevalent. Rates are also higher for those who live below the federal poverty line and who have received less than a high school education.

"It's unethical," says Mr. Emanuel, chair of medical ethics and health policy at UPenn's Perelman School of Medicine. Employers' main motivation isn't employee health, he says, but "to get the smoker off their health bill and pass on the costs to someone else." (A spokeswoman for the school says the new policy isn't intended to be "discriminatory in any way" and is just aimed at reducing smoking.)

But proponents say employers have given other methods a fair shake and need a tougher approach. David Asch, who co-wrote the academic paper in support of the ban, says that with hiring bans, smokers face a social consequence that is potentially more painful than nicotine withdrawal. "We've tried a lot of things to quit smoking," says Mr. Asch, a professor of health care management at UPenn's Wharton business school.

To be sure, employers say they have tried gentler measures, only to have poor results. At Cleveland Clinic, which imposed a hiring ban on smokers in 2007, CEO Delos "Toby" Cosgrove says he first tried banning smoking on the property and offering free cessation treatment—but that as long as the company continued to hire smokers, it was like "a doctor smoking a cigarette and telling you to stop smoking," he says. After the initial skepticism, he says, "I've gotten a lot of thanks for this, actually."


Originally Posted by Jeraden View Post
I often wonder if they know just how badly they smell. In my building, I have to take an elevator to get to my floor. Often times that means the smokers are coming back from their smoke breaks while I'm riding up. I can't wait for the doors to open to get out of there as it reeks so bad. If I was in charge of hiring, I wouldn't hire them if they stunk.
It's not just that they are unaware of how bad they smell - it's also that their memories are so poor that they forgot what it was like before they started smoking, and what it was like to smell smoke on other people.
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

Stinky people are not good at sales. I would not hire a stinky person.
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

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Stinky people are not good at sales. I would not hire a stinky person.
Unless they were supposed to be selling cigarettes.
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

Probably. Who wants to smell that all day?
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

I see it as discrimination unless the person's productivity is affected adversely by all the smoke breaks. There are two ladies in my department at work who smoke, and the nicotine keeps them so hopped up they could work rings around the rest of us if needed.
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Re: "My coworker smells like cigarettes" vs "I was fired for smelling like cigarettes

There's a $100 bill laying in the middle of a 4-way intersection.

On one street, we have a highly productive smoker who adds time on to his workday for every smoke break taken.
On another street, we have a worker who spends 10 minutes of every hour outside smoking, still takes a full lunch break and leaves work right on time.
On another street we have Santa Claus and on the last the Easter Bunny.

Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?

You know how this one ends.
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The man hating, angry as fuck dyke?
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What the fuck made you pursue this?
It's grundle. What reason does he pursue anything?
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Stinky people are not good at sales. I would not hire a stinky person.
Ever been to an REI sale down here?
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You shouldn't stink at all if you work in an office.

Discrimination??!!! HA!

What a bloody joke!

If you stink of disgusting smoke, I'd fire your ass in a minute if it's bothering anyone else.

I'd also fire you if you smelled like Animals, dirt, or BO.

Gotta show these disgusting slobs their smells will not be tolerated.
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo View Post
There's a $100 bill laying in the middle of a 4-way intersection.

On one street, we have a highly productive smoker who adds time on to his workday for every smoke break taken.
On another street, we have a worker who spends 10 minutes of every hour outside smoking, still takes a full lunch break and leaves work right on time.
On another street we have Santa Claus and on the last the Easter Bunny.

Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?

You know how this one ends.

Three of those choices are fictional - I have bolded the real one.
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The man hating, angry as fuck dyke?
Where? Where?? WHERE?????? *looking around wild-eyed*
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You shouldn't stink at all if you work in an office.

Discrimination??!!! HA!

What a bloody joke!

If you stink of disgusting smoke, I'd fire your ass in a minute if it's bothering anyone else.

I'd also fire you if you smelled like Animals, dirt, or BO.

Gotta show these disgusting slobs their smells will not be tolerated.
At my last office we had to have HR politely tell some of our international friends, both men and women, to start wearing deodorant. People couldn't concentrate - it was that bad. I expect the smell of smoke is just as bad. It creates a hostile work environment.
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I see it as discrimination unless the person's productivity is affected adversely by all the smoke breaks. There are two ladies in my department at work who smoke, and the nicotine keeps them so hopped up they could work rings around the rest of us if needed.
What if everyone else has their productivity go down because of the smell? HmmmMMMM?

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Ever been to an REI sale down here?
Once I find their nest, I avoid it. If only it were REI in Portland with this problem.
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I hate the smell of tuna. It is a huge distraction when people eat tuna for lunch or snack on it during the day. But somehow, I manage to survive the workday.

Former smoker here. I never took smoke breaks at work and tried to be courteous about it. I learned people still judge you and have no problem being self-righteous assholes about it. It was clearly a problem for the Partner at my firm, and I was told one of our more uptight clients even complained about it (they saw me smoking off-site, during my lunchbreak ). Eventually I quit because of this and also for my own health. On the plus side, people respect you when you kick the habit.

I would never fire a smoker or refuse to hire one. I would limit smoke breaks though, and I would encourage a similar level of courtesy. To me, the smell thing isn't really a problem unless someone smokes all the time, in which case the constant breaks are a bigger concern than the smoking itself. Everyone I've worked with said I never smelled of smoke.

I think the way smoking displays a casual disregard for your health and the opinions of others bothers a certain kind of person. I think these people should mind their own business and worry about themselves.
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I've never gotten why smoker's are allowed to take smoke breaks. It's an antiquated idea from back when everyone smoked. I'm a light smoker (1-3 a day) and think it would be nice to get out on a nice day for a quick 10 minutes smoke break but I think it's a ridiculous reason for me to leave my desk.

My boss at my last job would take 10 minutes every hour for a smoke break but would give me shit if I was gone for lunch for more than 30 minutes. I just don't get it. One time she called me (we worked in different offices) and said "I was trying to reach you but it seems like you were out to lunch for about 40 minutes" so I respond "yeah I tried calling you once every hour yesterday but it seems like you were out all day on a smoke break".

On topic (if there is one), no I wouldn't fire someone for smelling like cigarettes but I would politely tell them that they do so and to do something about it as it's effecting other people in the office.
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Stinky people are not good at sales. I would not hire a stinky person.
Embrace diversity, you hateful stinkophobe!
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I've never gotten why smoker's are allowed to take smoke breaks. It's an antiquated idea from back when everyone smoked. I'm a light smoker (1-3 a day) and think it would be nice to get out on a nice day for a quick 10 minutes smoke break but I think it's a ridiculous reason for me to leave my desk.

My boss at my last job would take 10 minutes every hour for a smoke break but would give me shit if I was gone for lunch for more than 30 minutes. I just don't get it. One time she called me (we worked in different offices) and said "I was trying to reach you but it seems like you were out to lunch for about 40 minutes" so I respond "yeah I tried calling you once every hour yesterday but it seems like you were out all day on a smoke break".
On topic (if there is one), no I wouldn't fire someone for smelling like cigarettes but I would politely tell them that they do so and to do something about it as it's effecting other people in the office.
Correlation?
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I remember when companies started to test for smokers to charge them more for health insurance. At first, that seemed reasonable. However, my mom tested positive for smoking at one company -she has never smoked- and had to pay more for health ins, then a year later, company admitted there were some 'errors' and some non-smokers were labeled smokers.
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I had a supervisor who always want me to come talk work stuff to him while he was out smoking. No thanks, I don't need to freeze or sweat my balls off while inhaling 2nd hand smoke so you can justify your countless smoking time.
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I've never gotten why smoker's are allowed to take smoke breaks. It's an antiquated idea from back when everyone smoked. I'm a light smoker (1-3 a day) and think it would be nice to get out on a nice day for a quick 10 minutes smoke break but I think it's a ridiculous reason for me to leave my desk.

My boss at my last job would take 10 minutes every hour for a smoke break but would give me shit if I was gone for lunch for more than 30 minutes. I just don't get it. One time she called me (we worked in different offices) and said "I was trying to reach you but it seems like you were out to lunch for about 40 minutes" so I respond "yeah I tried calling you once every hour yesterday but it seems like you were out all day on a smoke break".

On topic (if there is one), no I wouldn't fire someone for smelling like cigarettes but I would politely tell them that they do so and to do something about it as it's effecting other people in the office.
And what did she say to that?
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Correlation?
Well, yes, but not in the way you think. I was trying to transition to other areas of the firm but she kept shutting me down insisting that I was too valuable at my current position. I was getting increasingly frustrated and she eventually had a sit down meeting with me to air grievances. After that meeting, I quit. That line about her smoking was definitely one of the reasons why she found the need to have that meeting with me though.

Just thinking about it all again has me all riled up.

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