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"you can't trust anyone" is gloomier.
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45.83%
"you can't depend on anyone." is gloomier
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12.50%
I don't trust this poll.
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4.17%
You're splitting a hair that doesn't need splitting.
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I depend on twikoff.
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4.17%
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Which is more pessimistic?

Old 10-05-11, 02:36 PM
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Which is more pessimistic?

A little discussion I was having about the difference between these two statements:

"You can't trust anyone."

"You can't depend on anyone."

I took the stand that the second one was a more pessimistic outlook.

Someone else thought they were the same, but I pointed out what I see as the difference.

If you can't trust anyone, that means that, if you hire someone to do a job, you have to take measures to see that they do it right, and you get your money's worth.

If you can't depend on anyone, that means that, if you hire someone to do a job, they won't show up, and you will wind up doing it yourself.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Sounds like a thrilling argument and discussion.

My vote is "who cares" but for now I'll just pick you're splitting a hair.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Lack of dependability may imply incompetence or lack of caring. They may not show up or do it wrong because they don't know (or care) how to do it right.

Lack of trust is more gloomy as they may be trying to screw you over (and worse yet, may be quite competent.)

As one of my mentors taught me, "Mistrust them, but check them."
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Some people get bored and post threads about their personal life. I do polls. *shrug*
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

I think trust implies something deeper.

For example, I can't depend on my best friend to show up on time for anything. Ever. We go to a 7:30 movie and he won't get there until 7:25 and we have to get shit seats.

But I trust him to do right by me at any time for anything. I trust that he won't screw me over in any way, ever.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

I'm going with the second one.

I think depending on someone requires giving up a little of yourself while I'm already used to not trusting people.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

How about the difference between

"The glass is already half empty"

and

"The glass is still half full"
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Originally Posted by Mrs. Danger View Post
Someone else thought they were the same, but I pointed out what I see as the difference.

If you can't trust anyone, that means that, if you hire someone to do a job, you have to take measures to see that they do it right, and you get your money's worth.

If you can't depend on anyone, that means that, if you hire someone to do a job, they won't show up, and you will wind up doing it yourself.
What if I hire you but can't trust you to show up for work?
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Originally Posted by Jason View Post
How about the difference between

"The glass is already half empty"

and

"The glass is still half full"
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Depend on it.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

There's a reason they are called Depends.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Trust is a fundamental principle of society. I trust that I'll be able to drive down the street without someone purposefully running a red light and slamming into my car. I trust that my boss isn't going to give away my job when I leave for the night. I trust that my bank is going to have my money when I need to withdraw it. I trust that the person walking next to me on the street isn't going to pull out a knife and stab me in the heart. If you truly couldn't trust anybody we'd all be holed up in our fortress homes curled up with our shotguns.

Dependence works a lot more on a personal level. Society would still function as long as every person was able to depend on him/her self. I depend on myself that I'll get to work on time every day. I depend on myself to make sure I eat properly. I could still live if I wasn't able to depend on anyone else.
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Re: Which is more pessimistic?

Originally Posted by Jason View Post
How about the difference between

"The glass is already half empty"

and

"The glass is still half full"
I don't trust glasses.

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