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Old 09-25-11, 08:36 PM
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Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

I need to vent/discuss death with someone. I'm 32 and up until this year I never really lost anyone close to me. I never really had to confront death.

Earlier this year my grandfather died. To suddenly realize that I'd never be able to see him or talk to him like totally blew me away. It was such a strange feeling. And since I'm atheist/agnostic the idea of him going into "total blackness" freaked me out even more.

My parents are both aging (early 60s) and when I look at them they are starting to look old to me as well. The idea of losing them and never being able to see them scares the bejezzus out of me.

On top of all this our long time pet (a cat) is going to be put down this week due to major arthritis. Holding him today and knowing that within a few days he'd cease to exist - again it was a very awkward feeling.

So I guess I just want to here from other atheists and agnostics on how you handle the death of loved ones...
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

In all honesty I try not to think about it. There's not much else reasuring for an atheist to do, is there?

Of course we can listen to Carl Sagan:

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People live on, only in our memories.
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

Atheist. I miss my Grandmother all the time, and I agree with crazyronin.
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

Atheist as well. I lost my grandfather a few years back. It doesn't distress me that I'll never see him again, because he lives on in my memory and the memories of those who knew him.

Penn of Penn and Teller had a great comment about death, or specifically a fear of death. He said, do you fear 1856? You didn't exist back then. You won't exist after you die, why should that scare you any more than 1856?
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

Ditto. This crazy Mexican here is a non believer as well. People live on in your memories.
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At work I deal with death on a daily/weekly basis, but that hasn't brought any comfort or insight into my person struggles with it. It is a shitty realization to look at a parent/family member and know they will die, and sooner than you will probably be comfortable with, regardless of their age. I am on the edge between agnostic and atheist, and that feel scares the hell out of me. I try not to think about it, and I hope my believes can be proven wrong, and there is some sort of afterlife or whatever.
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Death is a part of life, there isn't ANYTHING you can do to change that.

Sure it is sad that you can not ever again speak to those that have passed on, just all the more reason to make/spend time with people you care about while they are here.

It is just something that you have to come to terms with, you have no choice. How you decide to do that is up to you.

Thinking that your loved ones are now in a 'better place' is just a coping mechanism.

How do I 'handle it'? Simply accept it.
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Originally Posted by namrfumot View Post
how you handle the death of loved ones...
By remembering their life
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Atheist.

I've had relatives die and have never been a believer in "they're in a better place" nonsense. You remember the good times, keeping them in your thoughts is important.
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

I guess its the idea of "not existing" is what creeps me out...
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but why? You won't feel anything afterwards. You're gone. You exist by what you did.
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I know...its a feeling thats tough to explain in words I guess
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Anti-theist here. Religion must be outlawed, faith must have criminal penalties associated with it.
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Agnostic checking in. I lost my dad, who was indescribably dear to me, last year. There's nothing one can do but remember. The profound sadness of the loss does dwindle over time, simply because one must get on with life.
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^ to Time Warrior

Yeah, but where'd the lighter fluid come from?
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

I am not an atheist. However, I don't believe in religion. I'm Jewish but mostly via gastronomy. That said, my Portuguese and African relatives (the Catholic side) come from a LONG line of practitioners of brujerķa and voodoo. They showed me some shit that I still have trouble coming to terms with.

I'm not out to convince people of one thing or another in terms of the universe, spiritualism, afterlife, oblivion, etc. All I can say is that there is MUCH more to this existence than this mortal perception. Even if personal experience with the "supernatural" can be discounted as hearsay, nonsense, self-delusion, wishful thinking, bad poetry, etc., the conservation of energy law makes me confident that consciousness in some capacity could conceivably transcend the passing of the human shell.

But enjoy your time here and now. If we die and the energy of our souls end up powering some little ****stain's E-Z Bake Oven for a weekend, I'm not going to be well.
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Re: Any other agnostics/atheists out there?

Not atheist, but if I were, I'd pretty much be "rooted" in the idea that energy is neither lost nor created, and even if the body "dies" the energy of the body doesn't. Doesn't mean that is "a better place" but I like the idea of one's energy continuing on.
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Anti-theist here. Religion must be outlawed, faith must have criminal penalties associated with it.
Let's start with the Jews. We could maybe set up camps to keep them in. You are on to something here.
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but why? You won't feel anything afterwards. You're gone. You exist by what you did.
I don't see how anybody can be ok with not "not existing" anymore. That simply does not compute with me. And frankly I don't see how it could compute with any human being.

I think I brought this up once before, but humans have no concept of "not existing". We've never experienced it and have no idea what it's like. Everything going to black? Black is something. Nothing? Well, nothing is something too because nothing is a human description. I'm a believer so at least I have that going for me. If I didn't believe and I knew that one day I just wouldn't exist that would scare the shit out of me. You can say "you're dead...your synapses stop firing" and blah blah blah, but we have no concept of what it means to just not exist anymore. Where do you go? You're just gone? What the fuck does that mean?

It's the ultimate unknown and how can that NOT scare you?
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You can say "you're dead...your synapses stop firing" and blah blah blah, but we have no concept of what it means to just not exist anymore. Where do you go? You're just gone? What the fuck does that mean?
Thats better than the way I described my feelings...
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I'm an atheist...just the last few years. I was born and raised Catholic, and my parents had me go through Catholic school and everything else with it (thankfully, no priest molested me). But when I went traveling extensively, I realized how religion has totally manipulated and caused a lot of suffering & how people have used religion and "God" for their own benefit.

When my father died of cancer three years ago, I was personally holding his hand when he took his last breath. He passed away in pain and in agony, and I did not see either Jesus or God or any of the these saints easing his suffering.

I do not believe in God...but I do think about "God" sometimes.
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Atheist as well. I lost my grandfather a few years back. It doesn't distress me that I'll never see him again, because he lives on in my memory and the memories of those who knew him.

Penn of Penn and Teller had a great comment about death, or specifically a fear of death. He said, do you fear 1856? You didn't exist back then. You won't exist after you die, why should that scare you any more than 1856?
Sure, that's OK for you. But what about classicman who was alive in 1856?
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Atheist and I'm OK with this being the only life. What the "hell" can I do about it anyway?
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I'm more scared of the actual dying process than being dead. Once your dead, you're either going somewhere or you don't. If it's the latter, it ain't going to matter. The whole idea of actually dying though, that unnerves me.
As for losing someone you care about, you simply never forget them. I think of my parents every single day. No one else loved me or had my back like they did. Since then, it's been hard but I cherish every memory.

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