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Old 05-04-11, 03:48 PM
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2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

I guess we can make this the general WSOP on ESPN discussion thread



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ory?id=6477409

Six days of the World Series of Poker will be shown in same-day coverage on half-hour tape delay with hole cards shown for the first time, ESPN announced Wednesday.

Days 3 through 8 of the WSOP main event -- scheduled for July 14-19 -- will feature 34 hours of "live" poker on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN3.com featuring unedited play and hole cards.

The 30-minute delay coverage on ESPN2 (and simulcast on ESPN3.com) will only include hole cards postflop. There will be two feature tables, and coverage will shift between the tables every 30 minutes, but any "all-in and call" situations will be included.

The live coverage will precede ESPN's Tuesday night WSOP telecasts, which begin July 26 and run weekly until a main event champion is crowned Nov. 8. Norman Chad and Lon McEachern will remain hosts of the coverage on ESPN.

McEachern and David Tuckman will handle the play-by-play during the six-day run of live poker from the WSOP. Additionally, a rotation of poker players will serve as analysts during that stretch.

"For the first time viewers at home will have the best seats in the house for the World Series of Poker, poker's premier event. Fans will see hole cards postflop and get an inside look at all of the strategy, angst and competition of the world's best players vying for a seat at the most prestigious final table in the sport," said Matthew Volk, ESPN manager of programming and acquisitions.

"This is a historic milestone for ESPN and the WSOP," WSOP executive director Ty Stewart said. "The addition of live event-style coverage with hole cards in July and primetime shows leading up to the crowning of a champion in November provide our fans more access than ever before, and we are extremely proud to be with a company dedicated to realizing the potential of the game."

ESPN also will be broadcasting three additional events from the 2011 WSOP: WSOP Grudge Matches, the $25,000 Heads-Up World Championship and the $50,000 Poker Players' Championship. Those events will be streamed unedited on a five-minute delay on ESPN3.com, but will not feature hole cards. They will be broadcast edited with hole cards on ESPN beginning in late July.

"This is a long-awaited step to get live poker on television, and it represents another good collaboration between Caesars, the WSOP Players Advisory Council and ESPN to create a production format that maintains the integrity of the tournament while giving fans what they want to see," said Barry Greenstein, member of the WSOP Players Advisory Council.
FWIW, here's the info on WSOP "rematches": http://espn.go.com/sports/fantasy/bl...ches-2011-wsop

1) Farha vs Moneymaker best of 3 (identical chip counts as 2003, reversed chip counts as 2003, equal starting stack)
2) Chan vs Helmuth (1989)
3) Voters choice on WSOP Facebook page:
1988 WSOP: Johnny Chan versus Erik Seidel
2004 WSOP: Greg Raymer versus David Williams
2006 WSOP: Jamie Gold versus Paul Wasicka
2010 WSOP: Jonathan Duhamel versus John Racener
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

And here's a FAQ about the coverage:

http://www.wsop.com/2011/2011-ESPN-TV-FAQ.pdf
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Yeah, that'll be worth checking out. Wonder if ESPN will have trouble selling ads for this year though.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

It's also going to be kind of nice not having players dressed as full tilt or pokerstars billboards
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

Interesting. Wonder why no cameras until post-flop.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
Interesting. Wonder why no cameras until post-flop.
I imagine that they want to limit the amount of information out there. If you show 30 minutes of preflop cards for player A, you can tell how tight he's playing or not, which can be used by other players.

Whereas if you show postflop only, you can't determine if player A playing tight or if he's just card dead. So you preserve the integrity a little more.

Since each player will likely only get into 1-3 postflop hands per half hour, the information gained will be mostly useless to anyone who is watching semi-live and relaying information to a player.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

One completely awesome benefit of this format is that there are no "It's 8:57pm, wonder what's gonna happen, durrrrrrrrrrrrr" type hands nor are action-hands cherrypicked.

I do think the general public seeing that most tourney hands are blind-steals will bore them, though.
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Apparently Norman Chad can't handle the pressure of trying to come up with his witty analysis on the spot.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

Originally Posted by WallyOPD View Post
Apparently Norman Chad can't handle the pressure of trying to come up with his witty analysis on the spot.
He's too busy handling the..

wait, what is it he does during the offseason?

He's like that black guy from the x-games that they run out every year but you never hear from him otherwise
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it's grudge match day

chan vs. helmuth on espn3.com right now
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I heard Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of some tiff with Full Tilt. I don't know what the WSOP and Full Tilt have to do with each other....just heard that's the reason in another forum.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
I heard Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of some tiff with Full Tilt. I don't know what the WSOP and Full Tilt have to do with each other....just heard that's the reason in another forum.
he's boycotting them because they haven't paid out anyone since the governmental shutdown. he's basically saying, it's not fair for me to play in the WSOP when all these people who may depend on this money or were going to use it to play in WSOP tournies and aren't getting it. plus he's suing them for a bunch of stuff.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

I think he's just too lazy to go out and buy some clothes that don't have their logo all over them.
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Originally Posted by Deftones View Post
he's boycotting them because they haven't paid out anyone since the governmental shutdown. he's basically saying, it's not fair for me to play in the WSOP when all these people who may depend on this money or were going to use it to play in WSOP tournies and aren't getting it. plus he's suing them for a bunch of stuff.
I know he's suing Full Tilt.

I'm still not sure why taking it out on the WSOP makes any sense assuming there is no longer any kind of relationship between Full Tilt and WSOP/Caesars.

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The WSOP is just the venue he feels he can use to put the most public pressure on Full Tilt. I don't think he has issue with the Series itself.
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The WSOP is just the venue he feels he can use to put the most public pressure on Full Tilt. I don't think he has issue with the Series itself.
Still makes no sense to me. It would be like if Phil Mickelson sat out the US Open because he had a tiff with KPMG and KPMG had no sponsorship ties otherwise with the US Open. He only hurts the game and the WSOP by doing this.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

if phil ivey came out and made a statement saying he's upset at Full Tilt and is suing them, would anyone listen? of course not.

but now that he's sitting out the biggest poker event in the US, people are listening. it was front page news on ESPN. he's getting exactly what he wants. exposure for the issue.
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I say good for Ivey. As others have said, this would be ignored if all he did was complain. He's making a fairly grand gesture here. You know they'll have to talk about it on the broadcasts. Poker magazines will write about it. Even mainstream news media will probably pick up on it. There's really no other way to apply pressure.

Would be awesome if some other big names would join him.
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if phil ivey came out and made a statement saying he's upset at Full Tilt and is suing them, would anyone listen? of course not.

but now that he's sitting out the biggest poker event in the US, people are listening. it was front page news on ESPN. he's getting exactly what he wants. exposure for the issue.
I guess. Still seems lame though. It's not like Full Tilt stands to lose any business now (and we all know if online poker ever gets approved, it's going to the established casinos (like Caesars) that crony their way into an oligopoly). If there was a market for their product, it might make sense, but now there isn't. I fail to see where the pressure is.
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Re: 2011 World Series of Poker on ESPN - now kinda sorta live-ish

WSOP televised live schedule for the main event, starting Jul 14
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Reminder: first TV coverage starts tonight. I think that schedule has been updated too. The schedule now says there will also be ESPN2 coverage from 7-9p ET tonight (in addition to the late night block).

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ory?id=6477409

I'll probably watch a good chunk of this over the weekend.
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That wasn't as interesting as I thought it would be. I can understand not showing hole cards at the start of a hand, but I don't see why you can't do it after the flop. I thought they were going to show the cards post-flop?

But there were some interesting hands. That one guy with AA getting knocked out by A6 was brutal.

Lon really had trouble keeping up on PxP.

And it sounds like....
Spoiler:
Phil Hellmuth is having a very good WS. No bracelets but a bunch of final tables and leading the POTY standings
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Yeah, I was excited but this isn't really going to work. The commentators can't even seem to follow the action or remain interested in what's going on. It's tough to stay engaged when everyone looks and sounds bored by what's happening. That A6 was brutal. Always hate to see such horrible play rewarded.

Oh, and I agree with Daniel that the rule about not discussing your own hand heads up is absurd.
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Plus the other problem is that when they did show the hole cards, they flashed them for what seemed like half-a-second. That probably wasn't helping the commentators either. I also think that some of the players were trying to hide their cards (they frequently only showed one card).

I say either do it right or don't bother at all (or just do it on-line).
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it seems better today, they just flashed some hole cards right now that were on the screen for 3-4 seconds

i think this coverage complements the tuesday night broadcasts very well

the thing about the tuesday night broadcasts is that it's all big major hands only. You know what's going to happen if you've paid any attention at all to the game and the tv broadcasts over the years

ESPECIALLY if you glance up at the clock at the end of a tourney and see that it's 8:57. Gee wonder what happens

I like Antonio's analysis, but I think they need a couple more people to rotate in and out. Running commentary for 10-12 hours for 5 days straight has to be a bit much.

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